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Remington’s new cartridge, maybe, 360 Buckhammer
Jan 17th, 2023 at 9:40am
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Late last year news started leaking out about a new Remington cartridge, it was introduced at the shot show this week. The 360 Buckhammer.

A straight taper case 1.8” long based on the 30-30 case with a .358” bullet of 180-200 grains.

I couldn’t think of any thing exact but, somewhere between a 38-40 Remington and a 357 Herrett.

Henry is chambering their single shot and lever rifles for the cartridge.

Not too many rimmed cartridges released lately, but with the new straight walled cartridge deer hunting rules in few states, there might just be some renewed interest in rimmed cartridge development. 
Maybe even some interest in single shots.

.360 Buckhammer Specs
Caliber: .358 in.
Parent Case: .30/30
Available Loads: 180-grain and 200-grain Core-Lokt soft points
Muzzle Velocity (200 grain): 2217 fps
Muzzle Velocity (180 grain): 2350 fps
Muzzle Energy (200 grain): 2,183 ft.-lb.
Muzzle Energy (180 grain): 2,299 ft.-lb.
Effective Range: 200 yards plus
Case Length: 1.8 in.
COL: 2.380 in.
Max Case Pressure: 50,000 psi
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 10:59am
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With many of those states that had the short or straight wall rules , now relaxing their restrictions and allowing longer cases, this is a bit late of an offering.
I give this cartridge a very short lifespan as it doesn't do much different than a lot of other straight walled cases, and with options opening up there's very few states that require this sort of case. I'm also betting there wont be many other companies chambering new guns in this cartridge beyond Henry Co.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 11:17am
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You missed the other most likely reason to fail, Remington put it on the market. They kind of have a tradition of not supporting what they introduce.

Still. it is interesting to see a rimmed cartridge being developed. Not much innovation going on for lever guns and single shots by major manufacturers.

  
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Reply #3 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 12:17pm
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Why not just use .38-55?
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 12:27pm
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toppkatt wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 12:17pm:
Why not just use .38-55?


Because in some of those states they had a 1.8" max length, and the .38-55 is over 2" long. But many states relaxed those rules where a .38-55 is now approved, so this cartridge is already not needed in those states, or the rest of the US.
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 12:28pm
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Dellet wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 11:17am:
You missed the other most likely reason to fail, Remington put it on the market. They kind of have a tradition of not supporting what they introduce.

Still. it is interesting to see a rimmed cartridge being developed. Not much innovation going on for lever guns and single shots by major manufacturers.



The good part for Remington is it didn't cost much to just take an existing cartridge and leave it unformed to the smaller neck, and shorten it. So less work than building .30-30 or .32 Win. Spl.

  

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Reply #6 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 12:48pm
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I take a different view of the cartridge:
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Reply #7 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 1:08pm
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BillOregon wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 12:48pm:
I take a different view of the cartridge:
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Must have been asleep at the wheel that day! Missed it entirely.

Still haven’t found an actual chamber drawing, just a few references to it not being finalized.

Also wondering about the brass, pressure listed at 50,000 psi.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 3:28pm
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It is interesting that it's based on the .30-30 that's SAAMI pressure max of 42,000. Wonder where the other 8,000 came from?
  

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marlinguy wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 3:28pm:
It is interesting that it's based on the .30-30 that's SAAMI pressure max of 42,000. Wonder where the other 8,000 came from?

Most likely playing word games, probably actually using 375 win brass, if it is actually different.

The 38-55 case is actually listed as the parent for .375 Winchester that is listed at 55,000 psi.
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 6:08pm
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I understand this was designed for those states with their silly straight-walled case rule  Roll Eyes, but let's face it, the neglected 356 Win. is/was a much better cartridge, especially as a hunting round.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 8:44pm
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gewehrfreund wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 6:08pm:
I understand this was designed for those states with their silly straight-walled case rule  Roll Eyes, but let's face it, the neglected 356 Win. is/was a much better cartridge, especially as a hunting round.


The .356 Win. was doomed from the beginning. Being so much like the older .35 Rem. with just a couple hundred FPS velocity, it never caught on well enough to send the old .35 Rem. into oblivion. 
Of course neither is legal in some states, but there are so few states with this ridiculous rule that I can't imagine enough people will this to keep this new cartridge afloat.
  

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Reply #12 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 8:52pm
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Nothing is actually doomed,.
Especially when someone takes something like that out, fully develops it for him or herself.
And then starts winning allot of the matches with it and then everyone now also has to have it !!
  

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Reply #13 - Jan 18th, 2023 at 2:41am
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Isn't the 356 Winchester case simply a rimmed version of the 358 Winchester?  From what I have read, they use the same reloading dies...

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Reply #14 - Jan 18th, 2023 at 7:39am
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Basically what they did was legitimize the 35-30 wildcat and give it saami spec in hopes of competing with the 350 legend for the Midwest deer hunting market. It will be interesting to see how it catches on with that market as well as if intrepid single shot shooters start messing with it and get good results.
  
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