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singleshotom Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 371 Location: tofield AB. Canada Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2008	Looking for info on a Pope barrel Dec 29^th, 2022 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	I'm looking for information about a certain marking on a Pope barrel. Under the forend is numbers I believe are the info he stamped on his barrels. 21 ---‐---- 141 Is stamped on the barrel, my understanding is that was how HP coded his rifling twist. Has anyone have a book or info on exactually this is deciphered? Thnx SST


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bohemianway Oldtimer Offline Posts: 644 Location: Andover, MN Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #1 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	21 and 1.41 are typical parameters for .32 & .33 caliber barrels. They represent key cam setting parameters for the gain twist. The base twist is ~15.5" but the cam will induce a lower rate at the breech and a slightly higher rate at the muzzle. The degree of gain is driven by those two cam settings. We will wait and see if anyone gives the details on what each number specifies (I am not at liberty to tell unless it has been made public elsewhere). Charles


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singleshotom Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 371 Location: tofield AB. Canada Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2008	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #2 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 5:43pm	Print Post
	Thnx Charles, hopefully someone will respond. Tom


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singleshotom Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 371 Location: tofield AB. Canada Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2008	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #3 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	Thnx Dave, I know many years ago I read about it in an article. But a lot of water has flown under the old bridge Since I saw it. And I never thought I'd need that information being here in Canada. Not a lot of Pope's work found its way north. Tom


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15990 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #4 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 6:30pm	Print Post
	This is an area I was very disappointed by when I bought the two volume set on the Hartford Pope barreled rifles. I really expected the authors to cover the various codes, and yet they failed to mention anything more than the fact these numbers indicated settings for Pope's rifling machine. If this is common knowledge, then it puzzles me even more that it wasn't covered and explained thoroughly in the Pope books.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15990 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #5 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 7:20pm	Print Post
	Who is being protected by keeping this a secret? Did Harry Pope promise to come back and haunt anyone who told what the numbers mean? I just don't understand the reason for not revealing this info? And who is that special person who gives the OK to tell what it means?

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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #6 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	Who knows what mystery lies in the dark secret of Pope's settings? "The Shadow knows" G. Marx

	WARNING: This post may contain material offensive to those who lack wit, humor, common sense and supporting factual or anecdotal evidence. Let's Go Sonny!
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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 2657 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #7 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 8:01pm	Print Post
	I bet the secret is stored in the Vatican archives. Other popes have hidden secrets there! Jack

	ASSRA # 11318 just a bit of a hoot.
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bohemianway Oldtimer Offline Posts: 644 Location: Andover, MN Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #8 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 8:21pm	Print Post
	The person who is in possession of Mr. Pope's equipment had put in considerable effort working out the details and requested years ago to not disclose the results. However we had planned to publish in the journal at one point but it never worked out. I did publish a short article in the journal (Vol. 46, Issue No. 2) explaining how certain published papers were incorrect. On his go ahead I would gladly write up a full analysis. I agree there is no magic in the exact twist rate profile. It was care in work and final twist rate that rules in the end. Charles


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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1592 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #9 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 8:56pm	Print Post
	bohemianway wrote on Dec 29^th, 2022 at 8:21pm: The person who is in possession of Mr. Pope's equipment had put in considerable effort working out the details and requested years ago to not disclose the results. However we had planned to publish in the journal at one point but it never worked out. I did publish a short article in the journal (Vol. 46, Issue No. 2) explaining how certain published papers were incorrect. On his go ahead I would gladly write up a full analysis. I agree there is no magic in the exact twist rate profile. It was care in work and final twist rate that rules in the end. Charles I look forward to the write-up.

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bohemianway Oldtimer Offline Posts: 644 Location: Andover, MN Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #10 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 9:04pm	Print Post
	I just realized that first article was written over thirty years ago. My how time flies. And to those interested send a PM and I will forward a copy.
	« Last Edit: Dec 31^st, 2022 at 9:09am by bohemianway »

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singleshotom Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 371 Location: tofield AB. Canada Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2008	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #11 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 10:06pm	Print Post
	Any information I can get I'd appreciate. If you want you can message it to me! Thnx Tom


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 3996 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Looking for info on a Pope barrel Reply #12 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 11:15am	Print Post
	PM sent, bohemianway, but I wonder whether our Journal editor might be persuaded to reprint it. I’m sure others would also be pleased to see it. How about it, Joe? Possibility? Froggie


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