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Reply #90 - Dec 23rd, 2022 at 12:34pm
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Here is a picture of the transfer bar in it's final configuration.  The slight cut out in the breech block, left of the bar, is for hammer clearance and fitting and getting the hammer into the frame.

The last couple photos are of how the hammer acts against the transfer bar.

Have a great Christmas everyone!
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Reply #91 - Dec 23rd, 2022 at 12:59pm
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Just amazing! Keep the updates coming.
  
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Reply #92 - Dec 23rd, 2022 at 2:46pm
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I agree, just amazing! Not being a machinist I am really enjoying this thread.
  

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Reply #93 - Dec 24th, 2022 at 10:37pm
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Bob,
The hammer is coming along nicely!  I've slugged through a couple, they are a lot of work.  I was going to make one a little different for the little sharps I have going, found something close from Rodney so I'm backing off starting from scratch.
Thank for sharing.
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Reply #94 - Dec 25th, 2022 at 11:05am
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bob, great job. i have really enjoyed watching the progress and the conversations we have had but i see gregs influence on you(the rubber band ).  tony<><
  
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Reply #95 - Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:28pm
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Thanks guys.

Tony, the rubber band has become the universal retainer...thanks to Greg!

Been picking away at this project in between others, including a couple SxS shotguns and a rook rifle, but haven't taken time to post anything here so thought I'd better get caught up.

I have the tumbler roughly shaped so it will work in the frame, with the trigger and main spring.

The trigger is in place as shown in this first picture.  Still has lots of shaping to make it look better and maybe a bit more graceful.  Also, had to open up the lever a little to allow the trigger freedom to move.  The knob actually has the finished screw hiding under it.  It's handy in speeding up the removal of the trigger while fitting and will be cut off in the end, then the screw slot cut

This second picture is showing the cutout, red arrow, for the tenon on the head of the stock.  The tenon will be fitted into this as I stock the gun, which helps to stabilize the the wood to frame fit.

3, shows the machined taper to the front frame sides.  This was done by setting the frame in the mill at an angle and machining, then repeating on the other side.  This will be blended to the rear with files when I finish shaping the frame.


  

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Reply #96 - Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:34pm
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This picture shows getting the trigger spring made and fitted to the frame and trigger.  I cut this from a chunk of 1080 steel, ground it to the thickness I needed, then hardened and tempered after the fitting and shaping. I hardened by heating to red and quenched in oil.  To temper, this is a small thin spring so I polished and reheated to a dark straw color and quenched in oil again, repolished and called it done.
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Reply #97 - Jan 12th, 2023 at 10:05pm
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Started making the main spring.  In this first picture you can see the spring blank setting in the frame pocket.  This spring is also machined  from 1080 steel.

In the second picture the spring is split between the two legs and the lower leg is shortened up just to get rid of the excess.

In 3 the spring is a little further along but, I have forgot to mention the link.  I shaped the tumbler to fit the link, drilled the hole and split the tumbler for link and the pin.  
This is the first link I made which was 3/8 inch (.375) center to center on the holes, but it was just a little long so I made a second one that was .335.  This second one gave the spring more room for when the hammer falls.

The fourth picture show the spring right from the final tempering process.  I'm a little archaic in my spring process.  I harden the spring by taking it to full red/orange color and quench in oil.  To temper I just cover the hardened spring with 30 wt. motor oil and heat the underside of the tin until the oil ignites.  I keep it burning until the oil is mostly gone, the spring is now tempered and done at this point.  Eventually, I will polish the spring for the final assembly.

In this final picture I am showing both the trigger spring and the main spring in position.  While the trigger spring is working well, the same is not true for the main spring.  I thought I made the main plenty heavy and would need to modify it after heat treating to ease up the tension from it but, it appears to be too weak.  I got it installed late today so tomorrow I will look at a couple thing that might help but I'm fairly certain I'm going to be making another one....I new this one was going way to good and fit way to nice! Angry
  

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Reply #98 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 7:29pm
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The tail of three springs! Cry

The first spring did need a replacement made, not only was it a bit weak but it broke right where I was concerned it would, at the end of the cut slot.  Made about 10 cycles of the hammer.

First photo....So, the second spring was made a little differently with the slot farther forward.  I was thinking the spring would not be stressed as much with the end of the slot moved forward out of that high stress area. But, it broke before I even got it compressed in the gun.  The break was about 3/8th inch in front of the end of the slot.  I am suspecting a stress point, or I missed on the tempering.  I'm believing it was a stress point more than the tempering because it was hard to get in that area to clean up the saw marks and polish the spring.  Even though it was tough to get into, I thought it was polished very well but still could have been a small saw mark I couldn't see.

Second photo...I used 1080 steel for the first two spring and basically machined them from solid bar stock.  This third spring was made from a piece of 1075 steel that was 1/8th inch thick.  As can be seen I folded this over on its self, forming the spring.  Before folding, the steel was polished so I did not need to get into that tight area after the bending.  This spring heat treated and tempered nicely.  Was a little bit of a battle getting it into the frame and was too strong.  I wanted it strong to start and then planned to thin it in order to get what I wanted. I cycled it several times and believed I had it working. This is where I ended yesterday, leaving the spring in the frame.

Third photo....I left it in the full cock position for the night.  Unlocked the shop this morning and checked it, before having my morning coffee, and it was broke as seen in the picture.

Needless to say it was a bit disappointing!  Took today and probably a couple more off from this gun.   

Still had a good day though!  Got the little rook rifle shooting.  It's chambered in 300 rook and I need to figure out how to get loads working in it and I got that all worked out and test fired.   
This rook is going to be a fun little gun!
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Reply #99 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 7:41pm
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That stinks on the third spring. I almost wonder if you could make or use something like the Colt dragoon.

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Reply #100 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 10:25pm
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You have my sympathy, bobw.  I’ve never found the hardening and tempering of springs the walk in the park so often described in gunsmithing books or articles.

Maybe it’s because I burn off the quenching oil in the hubcap of a ‘48 Dodge rather than a ‘36 Ford, but my score seems steady at two wet noodles and one broken one for every usable one.

This is a great thread, nonetheless.
  
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Reply #101 - Jan 18th, 2023 at 11:54am
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Bent_Ramrod, I’ve had good luck with this method, only had one spring that ended up soft after tempering and it just collapsed, but I think it was my fault.  I kept lots if heat under it trying to hurry the process and don’t do that anymore.

msellers, hadn’t thought about pistol springs, good call!  It can’t be a single leaf spring where a screw retains it.  But, I have contacted a guy on a colt python spring asking for dimensions, it looks pretty close to correct.  Thanks
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Reply #102 - Jan 18th, 2023 at 1:36pm
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Bob, feel your pain. The oil burn tempering technique has never worked for me. Large springs come out too hard and small springs too soft.
Generally use the fertilizer nitre blue pot heated to 700°F per the lead thermometer. Large springs get 20-30 minutes.
Want the springs to yield before they break. Lead pot might work if you keep it submerged but never tried it for larger springs.
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Reply #103 - Jan 18th, 2023 at 7:19pm
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Chuck, you are more than likely correct.  I always try to shy away from the lead pot method because I was under the impression spring should be tempered between 425 and 600 degrees.  I may go ahead and try it on this one because it is larger than a normal spring I treat.

I’m kicking myself now for not buying a heat treat furnace, on black Friday, when they had 25% off!  If heat treat is the issue, the cost would have been cheap per hour at this point.

I really think someone was trying to tell me I needed a break from this gun anyway, so I am!
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Reply #104 - Jan 18th, 2023 at 11:23pm
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Should note that I normally use O-1 tool steel (about 1095) for mainsprings.
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