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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle(In the attempt to build phase)
Reply #75 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 9:44pm
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I had started working on the firing pin but ran into an issue where I need a collet that I did not have.  So the collect was ordered and I decided to work on the mortise where the tumbler will go.

I started by laying out what this area will look like and then roughing the area out by machining close to the lines and nearly full depth.  I used the rotary table to cut all the final radius's.  I did have to nudge the one around the tumbler hole to give me just a bit more clearance.

In the second photo the mortise is mostly complete, including the the trigger slot.  The larger right side tumbler hole is .314 or just over 5/16 inch. 

Photo 3 shows the left side tumbler support hole in the cover.  This hole is .1875 or 3/16 inch.  Also visible in this picture is a tool path at the bottom of the tumbler mortise.  I cut that path when I machined the inside of the lower tang.  This was incorrect.  At the time I was thinking the tumbler was the width of the tangs but that was wrong.  This should not interfere with anything, more on this later.
Looking at these pictures I see my drawing says this hole is .1865.  That is the shaft size I was thinking and apparently wrote that number down.

Photo 4 shows the trigger slot with the side plate installed. 
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Reply #76 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 10:01pm
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This first picture is shown just to give an idea where the rear of the frame is in relation to the tumbler mortise.  The left side of the ruler is the rear of the frame line.

In this last picture the mortise is complete.  The tool path I cut in error is shown but, now at the front of it is a round pocket.  The tool path and this pocket are now the same depth at .040.  The round pocket is where the trigger pivot screw will be.  The trigger was to have a .010 boss on each side, but now the side where I messed up will have one that will be .050 to make up for the error.
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Reply #77 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 12:46pm
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Back at the firing pin and transfer bar.

As I said earlier I had an issue that stopped me from working on this.  Originally I was drilling the firing pin hole and broke the drill bit off in the breech block.  I attribute this to trying to use a drill chuck in the mill rather than collets, the chuck has too much run out for drilling deep small holes.  I did not have a collet that would work at the time, but now have everyone in 64th inch in that series.

I marked the firing pin position through the bore after I got the barrel installed.  Then set the breech block up in the mill and drilled the hole size I wanted, this is when the drill bit broke.  To get the broken bit out I flipped the breech block over and ran a small carbide end mill down to the bit and then tapped the bit out with a punch.  This sounds easy but took at least 1 1/2 hours to get done because having to line up on the small pin hole from the back side.  I got lucky and pretty much hit it dead on!  

This first picture is the simple setup used to drill the pin hole.  Here I'm boring the large diameter from the back side which needs to line up with the small hole.  Getting this alignment correct is the trick....at least for me it is!  I started this hole with an end mill them moved to a drill bit and finally a reamer.  It's nearly impossible to start a drill bit on an angled surface the end mill corrects this for the drill.

While in the setup for boring the pin hole, and this being a transfer bar style firing pin, I machined the back slot for the transfer bar at the same angle as the pin.  I'm using a smaller firing pin than I normally do with a 3/16 body diameter. 
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Reply #78 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 1:24pm
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Once the pin hole and back slot were cut I then moved to the side slot.  I have never actually seen a transfer bar style firing pin apart, so this is my version of what I have seen in pictures.  Since the bar needs to move in and out with the firing pin, but needs to be restrained in the breech block, the side slot will have a key machined on the top and bottom.  This will allow it to slide in and out but keep it in place in the breech block.  A small screw from the back side will be adjustable to stop how far it can back out.  And the firing pin will be a separate part form the transfer bar.

This first picture is the setup used to machine the slot and keys.  I ran the indicator in the back slot to get it exactly vertical in the mill and then double checked it with a pin placed in the firing pin hole.  I used also used the slot and pin to setup the angle matching he pin angle, I simply angled the vice to get the correct angle. 

I ground a carbide 3/16 end mill to the width I wanted for the slot under the keys, .080.   Photo 2  The slot between the keys will be  .112 so the shank on this ground tool is .105.  The cutter is 3/16 in diameter.  

Phot 3.  Might be hard to see but the first step and inside width are  now complete to depth in the breech block, less a couple thousands that will be finished in the final step in machining the slot under the keys use the tool I made.

Photo 4.  The transfer bar machining is complete, except for a slot for the riser off the transfer bar that the hammer will actually strike.  The keys and under cut can be seen.  The sharp inside corner will be radiused, probably with a file.  The transfer bar will be radiused also, to match and add a small amount of strength to this area.

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Reply #79 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:58pm
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Continuing with the firing pin setup this first photo is with some deburring and cleanup of the breech block after machining.

I wanted to check the dimensions of the machining in the breech block, before making the actual transfer bar, so I made a test piece to see how things fit.  The test bar slides in and out nicely with very little movement otherwise.  Now to get the actual transfer bar to fit the same!

The next couple photo are the test bar installed in the slot.  The second picture shows just a simple file fitted end radius, I wanted to besure it would fit the full length of the slot.   The final will be a machine fit.

The last photo is the breech block in the frame showing the transfer bar position.  The frame still needs the radius cut that will better expose and make more room for the hammer to hit the bar.

I sure hope this works!!
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Reply #80 - Dec 13th, 2022 at 8:16pm
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Continuing with the breech block, firing pin and transfer bar this first picture is showing the new transfer bar still attached to the supporting steel but fitted to the breech block.

The second photo is the bar cut free.  I actually ended up making a second transfer bar because the first one was just slightly looser than what I wanted.  At this point the screw coming in from the rear that limits the travel is made and installed for testing it and eventually for assisting in the trimming of excess metal from the transfer bar so that it fits the breech block.

In this third photo the excess metal is gone and the breech block is installed.  I removed the excess transfer bar metal in the mill.  I locked the bar in its furthest rear position with the screw and started picking away at it with an end mill, which got me within .010 of the final size.  I finished it with files. The bar was a little sticky in the breech block so I lapped it in with 600 grit lapping compound.  

I have not made the firing pin at this point, I want to ream the pin hole a couple thousands bigger and am waiting for the reamer.  My intent is to have a spring under the front of the firing pin that pushes it and the transfer bar back.  The spring I have is slightly tight in the hole so I need that reamer.

The last two pictures are the finished breech block.  The retaining screw can be seen.  By adjusting this I can limit the rear travel of the transfer bar without interfering with the forward travel when the hammer hits it.  The the hammer lug will be cut down after the hammer is fully installed so they can be properly mated.
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Reply #81 - Dec 13th, 2022 at 8:23pm
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Whew, those old time, and one new guy were and are gluttons for punishment. My hat is off to you. The reward will come to you, and again thanks for sharing.
  

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Reply #82 - Dec 13th, 2022 at 8:29pm
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Thanks!!   
I have to admit, this just about had me throwing the whole project in the scrap bucket when I discovered the first transfer bar was loose and had to make it again. Cry
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Reply #83 - Dec 13th, 2022 at 8:45pm
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I needed to get a hammer going so I started making the tumbler.  I'm not finishing it until the hammer is fully installed, then I can get the main spring, half cock and full cock notches in their correct positions.  So what you see is just rough shaped so I get some movement out of it.

This first photo shows it in the lathe which gave me the rough shape of the main body but more importantly the spindles so it fits and works in the frame.  This is being turned off center by 5/8 inch. 

The second photo is the tumbler ready to install.

Lastly, it's in after trimming it to fit in the mortise.  I went further than shown here and it fits much better now.  This was the only picture I took of the tumbler installed.
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Reply #84 - Dec 13th, 2022 at 9:00pm
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On to the hammer.

Rather than starting with steel, knowing there would be considerable filing required, I decided the first one would be from plastic.

This first picture is a poorly drawn first version on the plastic.  It morphed into a little different shape as I progressed, and the steel version will be changed even more so.

The last four pictures are the hammer shaping and fitting to the frame and breech block.  I think I will be able to lower the top of the hammer after I get the frame radius around the the breech block lowered, making it a bit lower profile hammer.
  

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Reply #85 - Dec 13th, 2022 at 9:11pm
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That frame radius, in front of the hammer, needed to be completed so here are some pictures of this area.

The first is the the rough out radius done with an end mill, and the second is the complete profile finished with a boring bar.

Lastly, is a top picture of this machining.  The left side hump will get touch up with a file, after I machine the loading trough in the frame.
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Reply #86 - Dec 14th, 2022 at 10:04am
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Bob,
Not for a moment did I believe you would toss this project  Grin it's one of those now that you are committed to.   
I didn't pay any attention to the internals of the original I had in my hands, I'll look next time... the '74 has a small protrusion on the front of the transfer bar that fits a recess in the mortice when the block is at battery.  When the breech block begins to move the transfer bar pushes the hammer back off the firing pin.  Just something else to look at and ponder  Roll Eyes  You may have to make another transfer bar  Grin Grin
(I wouldn't Smiley )

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Reply #87 - Dec 14th, 2022 at 11:53am
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Greg, I looked at lots of breech block and had not noticed the protrusion you are referring too.  This one will need the hammer moved to half cock before lowering the breech block.  The biggest issue with this transfer bar is the round breech block which really limits the area on the bar for the hammer to hit.  If I was to make another one I would make some changes, but they would be to make it easier to machine and a little stronger.  I have some concerns about how it will stand up to the hammer strike.
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Reply #88 - Dec 22nd, 2022 at 8:33pm
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Needed to get at the hammer but, before that, I needed the cartridge tray machined in the frame.

So, this is just a series of pictures showing the progress.  That's a 25-20ss in the tray.  Also showing is the machined cut-out for clearance of the hammer nose.
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Reply #89 - Dec 23rd, 2022 at 12:18pm
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Moving on to the hammer! 
I ended up making a couple versions from delrin plastic in order to get something I think will work.  Then basically copied the final example.

The first photo shows the really rough start to shaping.  This hammer has been much more difficult to make than I thought it would be.  Getting the angle correct in the throw, angle of the head, getting the head rolled over far enough to get to the transfer bar and making it strong enough was an interesting process.

Second photo, things are starting to come together and looking like it will work.  The excess steel on the bottom just gives me something to hold on to.

Third photo, this is the best finish, on curved surfaces, that I can get on my manual CNC mill.  Looks much worse than it was.  Took about 10 minutes to clean up with files.

Fourth photo, after some file work things are looking better.

5, Started to roughly get the shaping started.  This was just to make sure I liked what was going on with what will become the final shape.
Also have not made the screw that will retain the hammer, the one shown is robbed from a ML flintlock lock.
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