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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle Build (Starting to add wood)
Reply #165 - Mar 21st, 2023 at 5:39pm
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The head on that screw is really bothering me!

For what little it's probably worth, it bothers me too, for it seems to overpower the cap.  Too big or maybe just too thick?

In any case, not only could I not have written better comments than Greg did, but his mean so very much, coming as they do from someone who is also supremely talented in the same ways.

In short, keep detailing your great builds for us!

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Reply #166 - Mar 21st, 2023 at 6:54pm
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Bill, too thick is what I have been thinking also and it needs to be flat rather than domed.  Or maybe not domed as much.  I’ll keep looking at it and see what I want….eventually. 
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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle Build (Starting to add wood)
Reply #167 - Mar 22nd, 2023 at 12:48pm
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Continuing with the wood.  After finishing the stock profile I went ahead and thinned it down to a bit over a 1/16 inch of the final size at the butt plate on both sides, making it fairly flat all the way to the grip.

The first photo shows this work being done.  In order to do this I usually work with a drawknife, wood plane or very course rasp.  I started with the drawknife but the wood was just too crazy.  So, I went to the wood plane, it work somewhat.  But, ended up using the rasp for most of the work.  It cuts very quickly but take lots of work to push....with frequent breaks!  But even with the breaks it only took 15-20 minutes on each side.  Also note the centering line on the bottom of the stock and the line showing the grip cap placement.

Second photo shows the layout lines for the top of the stock.

Third photo shows the complete roughed out profile which should be  close to the drawing as shown in an earlier post.  The center layout line seen here was incorrect and has now been moved lower at the front and rear.

4, I like to start at the top and front of the grip and start rough shaping it, then moving back, getting the wood shaped behind the grip to the the butt plate.

5. The transition between the rear of the stock and the grip is always the tough part for me.  So, once I get the front and top of the grip sized down, along with the wood to the rear of the grip, I start developing the transition.  In this photo I have just started removing the bulk of the wood to the rear of the grip.  The layout lines are important in order to keep things where I want them as I work.

This might seem pretty straight forward, and it mostly is, but as the wood gets worked down closer to the final shape I will make small changes in order to keep things in the proper perspective..... in my perspective anyway!
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Reply #168 - Mar 22nd, 2023 at 6:39pm
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Progressing on the stock....still a long ways to go though!  What's been done, so far, is just the rough wood removal and, I really don't care for this part of the shaping so I'm glad it's done.  There will be probably 3-4 times, the time spent on this, in the final shaping, which is where I'm at now.  It's hard to see in pictures but the sides, comb and belly are still porky or fat.  I keep these areas over sized so if I make a mistake I have wood available to remove, and helping to correct the mistake.  The nose of the comb is an important feature, in my opinion, so I'll spend some pretty good time on it.  Then there is the grip and shaping around the cap, which will be a challenge in not dinging up the cap too much. 

Picture as the work today progressed.
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Reply #169 - Mar 23rd, 2023 at 12:42am
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Could you make, and use, a hard metal piece with the identical outline as the grip cap? I have done a bit of shaping around buttplates, but they aren't as delicate as the form of your grip cap. I like this job- at first I wasn't sure, but it really grew on me.   Smiley
  
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Reply #170 - Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:57pm
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called...I agree, that's the best solution to saving the cap.   

I knew when I started this project that this gun wouldn't appeal to everyone, after all, it is a strange looking gun.  But, I liked it from the first time I saw it.  And, it does fit into a time when they were trying to figure out something beyond caplock muzzleloaders.  Glad to see it has grown on you.
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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle Build (Starting to add wood)
Reply #171 - Mar 24th, 2023 at 11:10pm
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Bob, about your cap screw, I wonder if that long screw slot affects it's look.  Maybe a dished slot for a Lincoln penny?  Or knurled?  Just cogitating.
Really like your build!

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Reply #172 - Mar 24th, 2023 at 11:17pm
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Got a good start on the forearm today. 

The first picture is with the inletting black pasted on the nose of the frame and back of the barrel, along with the wood to be fitted.  The nose is larger than the the barrel, then there's the ring between the barrel and frame that also need inletting into the forearm.

Photo 2 and 3 are showing it is fully fitted to the barrel and frame.

I'm not ready to start shaping the forearm because it gets a steel tip installed.  Once it is installed then the shaping can be done.

Had some time late today after finishing the forearm, so started thinking about the cap box.  Yup, even though it is a cartridge gun verses the originals as breech loading percussion, I'm still planning to installing one.  Photo 4 is the start of the drawing.
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Reply #173 - Mar 24th, 2023 at 11:24pm
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Joe, you are thinking exactly what I have decided to do.   
I will make another, thinner but still with a radius around the edge, and a slot cut just on to inside as a tight radius in order to get some depth with out getting to the edge.

The plan is, and has been from the start, to add a rope pattern to the edge of this screw, the cap edge and the ring between the barrel and the frame.
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Reply #174 - Mar 25th, 2023 at 8:50pm
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Bob, I see you live in NW Iowa, not far from Sioux Falls, SD.
Why I say that is because at the gunshow this week in SF I say 2 of these little Sharps on the same table. They were priced between ~$3200 and ~$3500. Hopefully you also were at the show today but it still is on tomorrow. 
BTW nice work for sure Smiley
  
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Reply #175 - Mar 25th, 2023 at 11:00pm
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LRF, Yes sir.  Both guns were there for my benefit.  Since I’ve been building from measurement from three different guns (these are two of them), I want to see how close I was and Tony was good enough to drag them to the show for me.  I’ll post pictures tomorrow.  There was also an original #7 rolling block on the table.  
Did you have a chance to talk with the guys at the table?  It was Greg and Tony’s table, I loafed around with them most of the day, but was off, for a couple hours, looking the show over.  Had both my Sharps pistol rifle build and the Remington #7 there, the one posted here and also now in the Journal.  Greg also had several of his builds along.  Met moodholler and another gent from Minneapolis (but sorry don’t remember his name now).
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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle Build (Starting to add wood)
Reply #176 - Mar 26th, 2023 at 12:07pm
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I had measurements from two guys, and three guns, before starting to build this gun.  Two of these guns where brought to the Sioux Falls, SD  gun show this weekend for me to see and compare to my build. Thanks Tony! The original measurements I received did vary, so I used averages and my perspective of what I need for sizing the frame.  The four following picture show the two originals and mine.  The top original in each picture is a late gun near the 300 SN and the lower is an early gun near the 100 SN.  There are some differences in shaping between mine and the originals, but as far as the major dimensions mine seems to run .050 to .070 larger than the original.  After seeing the originals, for the first time, I may make some minor changes in shaping but overall I'm satisfied with what I have.

My gun still needs quite bit of wood removed which will slim it down more to the look of the originals.  But, mine does have more perch belly which, as discussed earlier, I like better than the original.

Of course Tony and Greg thought I should start over! Cheesy

The last photo is the rear site on the later original gun.  It might get  copied for my gun.
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Reply #177 - Mar 26th, 2023 at 3:04pm
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So cool!
  
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Reply #178 - Mar 27th, 2023 at 11:18am
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Much talent! Neater in person.
  
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Reply #179 - Mar 30th, 2023 at 7:52am
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Amazing Bob ... simply amazing!

You are a very talented and patient gunmaker.
  
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