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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle Build (Starting to add wood)
Reply #150 - Mar 17th, 2023 at 1:14pm
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Next up is the making of the grip cap as shown in this picture of the original gun.  I wasn't sure how or if I could make this cap.  It's elliptical in shape and has a concave radius on the upper line where it fits against the wood.  I do have it made and it turned out pretty ok.  I will continue later with how I completed the making of it.
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Reply #151 - Mar 17th, 2023 at 9:40pm
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I started making the grip cap on the lathe with a piece of 2 inch steel.  I turned a shaft to 5/8 inch, leaving the thickness (.105) as a 2 inch flange that will end up as the cap.

I was distracted while turning this and completely forgot to take pictures while in the lathe, but this first photo is of the part after it came out of the lathe and some work had been done in the mill.  You can see what will be the parting line that will become the bottom of the cap.  The drawing just above the part shows this.  I have also machined a flat on each side that will align with the long side of the ellipse.

Photo 2. While in the lathe I put a small center in the top of the cap to assist in laying it out.  The outside rim is the 2 inch diameter of the original steel.  The outside drawn ring references the long side of the ellipse, and the small ring the short side.  I used a sharp scribe, in the mill, to mark the long and short side, forming an elongated cross.

Photo3. The radial lines are marked at 30 degrees then intersecting line marked, these intersecting lines can be see.  These lines are then used to hand draw the ellipse as shown.  At this point I had started machining the cap, making it square and to the line.

Photo 4. From there I just picked away at it until I had the rough shape of the cap.

Photo 5.  All roughed out.  Now I will attack it with a file and finish to shape.  Notice I didn't say to the line, the line was not good enough to finish the shaping, I finished it by eye and using the line only as a reference.

  

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Reply #152 - Mar 17th, 2023 at 10:08pm
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This first photo shows the file finished cap, but not completed yet. 

Photo 2. As I said before there is a small radius, in the edge of the cap, all the way around.  The small diameter, of this radius, is what forms the shape of the wood portion of the grip.  The picture shows the layout lines that will help in accomplishing this.  The radius can be seen in the drawing just above the part.

Photo 3.  I have a ball end mill mounted that will form this radius.  Like the outer, I just started with straight cuts up against the line.

Photo 4.  I started cutting then moved the cut in and down to the line.  

Photo 5.  Then by picking away at it, I ended up with this.  As usual, it will be finished with files.
  

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Reply #153 - Mar 17th, 2023 at 10:13pm
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The rest of these pictures are different views of the finished grip cap.
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Reply #154 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 11:28pm
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Today I had some time to get the cap positioned on the bottom of the grip.  It did take some time to get the front edge, of the cap, aligned with the front of the grip rail.  Once that was figured out it was easy to get the hole drilled and tapped for the screw.  In order to keep the cap from spinning over time the cap was drilled and reamed for a locating pin.  Once the grip was threaded it was easy to get the matching hole for the locating pin drilled and reamed.  The locating pin will be retained by the screw that holds the cap to the grip.

The pictures show different views of the cap installed, along with screw and pin locations.  I'll make the final pin and screw tomorrow.
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Reply #155 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 6:15pm
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Not trying to bore you all with this cap but here are some pictures of the completed and installed cap with the screw.  I'm not going to get into it here but the cap has ended up being part of the equation to hold the stock wood to the frame properly.....this I did not expect!

I think the pictures explain them selves.

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Reply #156 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 6:34pm
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Now, with all the metal parts made and fitted to the stock, the official start to shaping the wood has started.

The first picture is before starting.

I always start the stocking of a gun with rough shaping the profile.  From there the sides are straightened and worked to the thickness of the final shape. Once this is done then the rounding of the sides can be started.  I think everyone knows by now that this final shaping is done by eye and feel, with just reference lines drawn to assist in the shaping.

In this second picture I have the top and bottom of the grip rough out for the profile and the top comb line roughed out.  This roughing takes the shape to with 1/16 inch of the final.  The bottom profile can be seen as a pencil line yet.

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Reply #157 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 7:43pm
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Bob , you don't have to worry about boring any of us, me especially!  I really enjoy seeing the problem solving that goes on in a build like yours.  Thanks for all the great pictures and explanations.  I also enjoyed the write ups you have done for the Journal.

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Reply #158 - Mar 21st, 2023 at 1:12am
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Bob, 
From experience, one often wonders what people are thinking about a post you do, your words, methods, processes, pictures, etc.  I do a post not really expecting a response but fortunately there is a view count monitor, if I happen to pay attention to it and notice the post is looked at more than a couple times it tells me that someone is at least looking.   It takes a lot of effort to put the posts together - at least for me.  I write down my basic thoughts, type them in Word, edit them, many times a day or two later - quite often they don't make as much sense then so I'll send them to the trash bin and start over...   Don't know if you are there, maybe you are better than that with words.   
I find your posts exceptionally well done and interesting.  If you are willing to put the effort in to these builds AND then do a write up about them, every little piece you make - it's not in vain!   
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Reply #159 - Mar 21st, 2023 at 12:00pm
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Thanks Joe and Greg, at time I do wonder if I’m getting into too much detail and losing folks interest.  But, I keep plugging along hoping it gives other the initiative to go after a project they have been hesitant to  continue or start.   

Greg, it does take work to post these, but I do have the process down and can get it done fairly quickly.

Greg, I plan on being at the show with this build.  If there is room to bring it, there will be an original there to compare my work too.  I may  also bring the Remington #7 so you guys can see the actual gun rather than just pictures.
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Reply #160 - Mar 21st, 2023 at 12:04pm
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Back to this build.   

The head on that screw is really bothering me!  Not sure what it is yet but I’m thinking there will be a change in this one or a new one made once I figure out the problem.
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Reply #161 - Mar 21st, 2023 at 12:25pm
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I really enjoy following your build posts Bobw. I am not a machinist so it’s out of my realm, but I do admire those with the talent to carve metal, whether it be an artistic machinist or engraver. I enjoy bringing old rusted rifles back to life, as in polishing, filing, rust bluing and all the file work to make a new small part, but machining is a talent of its own! Keep up the great work.
  

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Reply #162 - Mar 21st, 2023 at 1:57pm
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Show and tell with the actuals is great!  I'll be dragging a couple pieces of my junk along. Grin
  

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Reply #163 - Mar 21st, 2023 at 2:30pm
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I hope Greg and Bob and others who make guns and parts will continue to do so and post their efforts.  I appreciate that it takes a lot of effort but it is the best part of the forum for me!
  
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Reply #164 - Mar 21st, 2023 at 3:39pm
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I'm with you, Amoretti, these guys always amaze me with their skills being displayed here. I really won't ever do anything like them, but the detailed photos and expanations are ever-enjoyable. I'd love to see the actual creations, but the photos to revisit over time are very enjoyable. And, yes, I'd also like to meet the creators of the amazing projects. Keep it up, fellows!
  
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