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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle(In the attempt to build phase)
Reply #135 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 8:32pm
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Thanks guys.  Not entirely sure how much belly the original has, but it does have some. Hard to tell from the pictures but it appears straighter than my version.
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Reply #136 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 8:58pm
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Got started on adding the wood to the frame.  This is an unusual stocking for me because both tangs are attach to the frame and not removable.  In addition, the front tang extended to the read forming the bottom of the grip.  This extension creates an issue with inletting from the stand point of the depth in the wood it needs to get to, the deeper a part is inlet the more chance of removing/damaging wood and loosing the good final fit that shows.  My plan was inlet the top tang straight in and let the lower just follow it in. This seems to be working but it is tough to get a good tight fit of wood to metal.

First and second pictures show the beginning and the progress.  To make things tougher, this wood is difficult to work because of the crazy grain.  You need to make every cut in the correct direction or it will chip out.  It  reminds me of a piece of curly maple the way it works.

Third picture show the frame has contacted the head of the wood.  Note the inletting black.

The last two show the frame against the head of the stock.  Have an 1/8th inch to go.  This 1/8th inch is where the wood tenons are formed and fitted into the back of the frame and at the same time the wood is also fitted against the back of frame.
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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle(In the attempt to build phase)
Reply #137 - Feb 26th, 2023 at 8:58pm
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Continuing with getting the frame attached to the wood, this first picture shows the top tang inletting.  The wood was tough to work with on this top side.   Not the prettiest, but I think it will work.  We will see once the shaping is underway!

Next three photos are the bottom tang inlet, like I said before, it is a deep one.  The wood worked much better here.  The tenon and fit to the face of the frame is also seen here. 
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Reply #138 - Feb 26th, 2023 at 9:02pm
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These next two are the frame in its final place and fit against the wood.
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Reply #139 - Feb 26th, 2023 at 10:08pm
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When stocking a gun, once the action is attached, you need a butt plate in order to setup the other dimensions...drop, pull length, cast off or on  and pitch.  There is no cast in this stock, some pitch, so drop and pull are the main reason I need a butt plate....which I don't seem be able to find that is already made.

So, I decided to make a stab at making one.

After machining the steel to a rough thickness, I laid out the pattern and band sawed the front profile leaving a margin of steel for the final machining, as shown in this first picture.

Now on to my manual CNC mill. In this second photo I have the machining to the line nearly done.  And in the third photo I'm done.  The final finish work will be done with files.

The forth photo show holes I drilled to to get started with machining the back of the plate.  

In the last photo I'm back to my manual CNC'ing of the back of the plate.  I'll cut it loose later after I do the filing to cleanup from the milling and, shaping to the stock profile and width.  But for now I need the extra steel for something to hold on to.
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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle(In the attempt to build phase)
Reply #140 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:21pm
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Continuing with making the butt plate.

After getting the general shape of the plate laid out, I started picking away at it in the mill roughing out the shape.  Photo 1

The second photo is the finished, roughed out plate.  Since I manually run the mill, I machine in close then push up to the lines.  Anyone who has run a mill with backlash knows you better do this machining in the correct direction or things go south fast and you end up with a broken end mill at best, damaged scrap part is the worst.  Although, even when you are paying attention things go wrong, I broke an end mill earlier when working on the wide rear face while roughing out the shape.  Got into a pinched situation and the mill did not like it, luckily the plate wasn't damaged.

The third photo shows the forward extension is now laid out.  I have also started shaping the top of the plate around to the sides, using files.  But, what I was really wanting to show here is the shaping of the inside radius of the corner.  You can see I have connected the side to the forward extension.  When making something like this plate, you need to be thinking constantly about fitting it to the wood.  This radius, as shown, is straight up and down.  In order to fit to the wood this needs to be angled more toward the center.  If not done correctly there will be a very thin edge of wood here that would be very fragile. 

In this fourth photo you can see the shaping of the radius versus the other side, which just has the layout line showing and has not been shaped yet.

5. Once the side radius's were complete, I then completed the balance of the extension.  Back in the mill, and since it's a tapered extension, I roughed it out the best I could by picking away at it.  It will be finished with files
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Reply #141 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:01pm
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When laying out the extension I used a radius gage to form the curved tip.  Sorry about this first picture quality, but was having problems get the camera to focus, so had to hold something neutral behind it.  This radius could have been machined using a rotary table but it took me 5 minutes to shape it with a file.  This shows the start of the shaping, but as a side thought here.....when shaping a part with files, by keep the filing square and straight, as here in this picture, the filing will be at the same angle as the surface being worked.  This may seem simple, but I have been surprised how many people do not realize this when filing.

When shaping a curved surface I usually file facets into the curved surface down to the layout line.  Then it's a simple operation to finish the radius.  This filing was done just so I could snap this picture for a visual.

3. Once I think it is complete, I look at it carefully against a light background, making sure it is the same on both sides.  I then make small correction until I'm satisfied.
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Reply #142 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50pm
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Photo 1, Starting the shaping the sides of the plate.  This is where a layout, like this center line, helps.  By working to or away from this center line the top of the extension will stay straight and clean looking.

The second photo shows what the side looks like after a few minutes with a file.

In this third photo the right side is filed to shape, the left side has not been touched.  On the left side can be seen a layout line, toward the center of the side, which indicates the width of the plate.  Then at the top, hard to see, there is a line forming the shape there.

4.  I've started shaping the top radius of the plate.  The width line is still visible, along with the rough surface from the mill work.

5.  The plate is mostly shaped.  It will still need some tweaking, but for the most part it is done.
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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle(In the attempt to build phase)
Reply #143 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 10:03pm
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Photo 1, This is what it looked like after the previous file work.  After this picture was taken I did do some of that tweaking I talked about before.  If you look close, the right side here is slightly wider, than the left, at the top and bottom, the center is fine.  So I worked it down with a file until it looked more like the left side.

2.  I have now cut it loose from the lager piece of metal and worked the back of the butt plate on a grinder.  This is what is called, really rough shaping!

3. The side the plate after grinding.  Now I will start in with files.
  

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Reply #144 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 10:36pm
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Photo 1, The center line is reestablished for shaping the plates rear surface.

Photo 2, if you look close, the side layout line is established, thick at the top and thin at the bottom.  I have also started shaping at the top.

3. Now can be seen what the side of the plate profile looks like.  While shaping this profile I keep the file at a high angle and just shaping to this line without working toward the center of the plate.  I finished both side before moving to the next step.

4. Now I'm tapering and thinning from the edge to the center line. Shaping a butt plate like this, you end up with the strength from the thick center section but the look of a much lighter plate when looking at it from the side.
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Reply #145 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:21pm
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As I was shaping, I really need the upper portion of the plate shaped and I was procrastinating because..... first, I wasn't sure of the shaping  and second, I really didn't want to do it, I knew it would be lots of work!  And it was!

The upper end has this knob that a screw goes through to retain the plate.  So I found the center and laid out the circle and started filing away.  Actually started by grinding off most of the wast first.

Here are a couple pictures of that shaping process and then a couple more of the finished butt plate.  There will still be some small modifications to be made but they can be completed once it's on the stock.  I will install this thing sometime in the couple days.

Just in case anyone is curious and wondering if I would make another one......NO.  
The only way I would, is if I had no other choice in order to get what I wanted.  This thing was a lot of work and a pain in the ass.
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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle Build (Starting to add wood)
Reply #146 - Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:34pm
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These  photos show getting the tang screws in place.  The back is a wood screw but, the front is a machine style screw that connect to the lower tang.  I make both screws with head the way I like them.

Sorry I didn't take photo while setting up the front screw.   When drilling the hole through the wood, I had to hit a blind hole that does not come through the bottom of the lower tang.  So in the mill, the holes were lined up with the wood removed.  I held the screw in a collet and adjusted the frame until the screw would turn freely into the lower tang, through he upper.  Once this was done the wood was reinstalled and the hole drilled.  Worked perfect.

At this point both screw heads are left long and will be trimmed and timed later.
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Reply #147 - Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:45pm
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Once the screws have the wood fastened securely, I laid out the rough dimensions of the stock, most importantly the center line, the center line will stay on until mostly done shaping.  It will be redrawn many times though out the work. This can be tricky, I use to do it with a steel straight edge.  But, any more I install the frame, with the stock installed, in the mill.  I find two center points on the frame, one at the front and another at the rear.  Once those points are lined up with the axes's of the mill I simply run it down the stock and mark a couple point on the wood, then draw a pencil line through both points.  I do this on top and bottom.

The fist photo shows the bottom layout and the second shows the top with the butt center line also.

Looking at the butt line it looks off from the sides of the wood.  This is either from me attaching the frame slightly tipped or the wood twisted.  I don't really care which it is because I feel confident in my layout using the mill.

If I wanted to add cast (on, off or toe) to the stock, I would simply measure from these centered lines and add a second line showing the cast.  Then all other layout would be based off these new lines.  This stock will not have any cast.
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Reply #148 - Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:56pm
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I also got a little bit of a start on the forearm.  I used the mill as a router and plowed out the start of the channel for the barrel.  I measure the barrel at the small or front where the forearm will end and cut the channel just under that size.  It will be inlet by hand from here.

First photo is the mill setup.  I'm using a router bit here.

Second shows the fit to the barrel.
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Re: Sharps Pistol Rifle Build (Starting to add wood)
Reply #149 - Mar 17th, 2023 at 12:58pm
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Back to the butt plate and it's installation.

I think the detail installation of a butt plate has been covered by a few of us in this forum, so I will bypass that info.  This first pictures shows the inletting black used during the fitting and, that I'm very close to being done with the fitting.  Also, when fitting a butt plate it it important to keep it aligned with your layout line, whether with cast or not.  In addition it needs to run straight and true with the upper profile of the comb, it should not point up or down.

Photo 2 shows the final fit of the plate.

In photo 3 I have the counter bore and hole drilled for the heel screw.  The original appears to have a screw head the same size as the heel spur.  I decided I would try a captured screw head instead.  I can still do the full head if I decide I don't like it this way.

The next two photo show the heel screw in place and also the other two plate screws in place.  As usual these are my shop made wood screws and the heads will be trimmed and timed later.  The straight unthreaded shank of the screws are long enough that they enter into the wood and act like a locating pin to help in keeping the plate in position.
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