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Reply #120 - Feb 13th, 2023 at 11:43am
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Bob,
It's a model 1902 Round block from one of Rodney's castings, it's an internal hammer so a "horse of a completely different color".  I've been going to start a post on its build but my extra spare time has been spent on chasing shooting events in a different discipline.  I'll crash your post with a couple of pix I just resized.  It's going to be a 22rf so the original cast breech block wasn't going to work very well so I made another.  That and the barrel are almost fit... more at a later date. 
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Reply #121 - Feb 13th, 2023 at 12:06pm
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Not a problem Greg, the thread needs some diversity!


“It's a model 1902 Round block from one of Rodney's castings, it's an internal hammer so a "horse of a completely different color"
Greg, I’ve discovered that the British don’t do anything the easy way!
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Reply #122 - Feb 13th, 2023 at 8:31pm
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This first photo is showing all the layout lines for the rear section of the right side of the frame.

The second photo is the rough finished upper section.

Third is the roughed out lower section.

This last is taken from the rear showing the curvature of the frame where the wood will hook up.  I had machined the rebate in the frame.  This rebate is for the wood tongue that engages the frame and holds the front of the stock in place.  I had some concerns that I went too deep and wouldn't be able to get the curvature at the back of the frame because of the corners.  As can be seen I have room to spare and could still add more radius, if I decide to.
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Reply #123 - Feb 13th, 2023 at 8:45pm
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This first photo shows making a template to copy the profile to the left side.  This will at least get me close to looking the same between the two sides.

I have not yet machined the rebate on the left side for the wood.  It will be done once the profile is roughed. Since it's the side cover this is easy enough to do.

The next two photo are the layout lines for the left side.  These lines are not absolute and will be adjusted as I work the metal down.  The screw will be profiled at the same time, so my plan is to align (index) the screw slot with the angle of the profile so that the slot depth is somewhat consistent in its width.  I will do this side tomorrow.

All shaping of these contours is being completed with files of different sizes.
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Reply #124 - Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:04pm
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WOW! You are a true inspiration in the details you are putting into form. This thread never ceases to impress.

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Reply #125 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 1:51pm
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Bob-You say the British don't do anything the easy way.  I can agree with that, but your Sharps isn't exactly a walk in the park.  It has as many complications as any British gun. 

Greg-You need to start a thread on the 1902 Webley.  I have had one of those for a long time that I really want to get to, but just haven't put it high enough on the priority list.  I am very curious to hear what issues you have had with it.   

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Reply #126 - Feb 14th, 2023 at 11:57pm
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Bob, you have some skills with the files!! Greg and Bruce here is my 1902 Webley about 90% finished. The lever kind of put me off at first, but it grows on you. It makes a wicked, fast light little rifle.
  
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Reply #127 - Feb 16th, 2023 at 10:59pm
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Rodney, looks like you have some skills with wood, very nice.   

You must not be paying attention in Gregs class!!! Grin
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Reply #128 - Feb 19th, 2023 at 1:42pm
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Got back on this little guy yesterday.  Most of this week was spent helping a friend profile a barrel blank to full octagon and getting it on the action.  He's never really done this type of work before so he's in for a real surprise treat when he starts stocking the gun, Stevens 44, from a blank. Grin

This picture is just showing that the rough shaping is done on the action, and the screws are now timed where I wanted them.   

I'm starting to get ready to start the stocking of this gun.  I've sent to tumbler off for some welding repair.  I changed the position of the full cock notch and now need more meat, above the new notch, in order to cut the half cock notch.  I included here one of the pictures I sent to the welder so he knows what I am wanting done.  The tumblers quite small and will fit on the end of a finger, so he will probably have something too say about the size and how much trouble it was.  But, he alway does a nice job.
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Reply #129 - Feb 21st, 2023 at 12:26pm
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I'm now starting to look at getting the action ready for wood.  So, I hadn't machined the holes for the tang screws and need to get them done. 

This first photo is the setup I use to drilling and tapping all my holes.  I don't hold the tap freehand but keep it rigid with a rod, tapered on the end, positioned in the top of the tap holder and held in a milling collet.  This setup helps, when tapping small holes, by not breaking the tap!

Second photo shows the completed tang.  The front hole is tapped 8-32.  Since I make all my own screws I make the heads a size I have tooling for.  In this case the rear is 1/4 inch and the front is 7/32.  I also generally use fillister heads on both machine style screws and wood screws.  Easy enough to do when making your own.
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Reply #130 - Feb 21st, 2023 at 12:42pm
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The next thing needing done in the prep for wood is some reshaping of the tangs in order to make wood inletting a little easier.  When originally machined the tang sides are straight.  I like having them tapered slightly for inletting.  So I hand filed the tangs with a taper, front to rear, of .003.  I would normally like a little more but the style and shape between top and bottom make it tough to do since they both need inletting at the same time and, the bottom of the front tang eventually gets a fitted cap, so it needs to be straight front to rear.  If it is not straight the cap might not be able to be kept tight.  This cap can be seen on the original gun in some of the first posts of this thread.  This photo is just showing the reshaped tangs......not really much to see though!
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Reply #131 - Feb 21st, 2023 at 1:01pm
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These next two posts are really going to bore you! Smiley

When building a gun, as you have seen in many pictures, I draw out most everything, this includes the wood portions.  By drawing, I get things straight in my head of the process's I need to go through to complete the project.  So I thought I would show how I start and the transitions of the drawings as I do them.  Boring...I know, but maybe someone will pickup something from this!

The first thing I do is get the action or at least part of the action on the paper.  This first and second photo shows this.

Once the action is on paper, I need to start placing the drop, at both nose and heel of the comb. The indicated point at the nose is also the point where the nose will roll forward into the grip area.  This are now positioned on this next photo. 

In this fourth photo I have drawn in the length of pull, which then allowed me to draw in the shape of the butt plate.

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Reply #132 - Feb 21st, 2023 at 1:15pm
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In this first photo I have drawn in the bottom profile of the stock, along with some of the detail of the grip area.

The second picture is the drawing with the chunk of walnut that will hopefully become the stock!

After studying the drawing, I came to the conclusion the lower profile line just didn't look right.  The flow between the upper wrist and the lower line just didn't work.  By adding a little more perch belly the lines work much better than the earlier drawing showed.....at least in my opinion it does! Grin   At this same time I made the grip cap area slightly smaller in length.  The original lines can still be seen, as erased, in this picture.  Also can be seen in this last photo, are the grip cap, butt plate and all the proposed screws attaching them.
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Reply #133 - Feb 21st, 2023 at 2:16pm
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That small rearrangement of the lower stock's profile really does make an improvement. As has been said of art, 'I'm not an expert, but I know what I like.' 
This rifle is beginning to grow on me. I hope we can see a report on how well it shoots after you get it all together. But, take your time, the fun of seeing it progress is pretty nice, too. Thanks.
  
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Reply #134 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 4:41pm
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I'm in awe of this whole project.  In particular, how much better the slight perch-belly makes the stock is very instructive - i.e., even when one design works and looks ok, it likely never hurts to try some variations thereof before saying "done".

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