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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16455 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #45 - Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:19pm	Print Post
	That's exactly the way I cut forearm wood channels also. I've used my router table and my mill. Router table works faster for me, but mill allows for very thin cuts easier. And some for sandpaper on the barrel! I tape it to the muzzle end, and leave the trailing edge. Then just work the forearm until it fits the receiver when test fitted.

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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1857 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #46 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:23am	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:10pm: While you are getting close to it, what is the screw size for a Ballard fore end? I have a few thousand machine screws. Only one fit this hole correctly, and that was from another Ballard. It measures a slightly oversize #8-40. An #8-40 will work, but not well. This is obviously not a restoration of an original, just a homemade project, so I may just drill it out and tap for a #10 x 32, which should about clean it up.


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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1857 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #47 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:29am	Print Post
	I was struggling a bit to get the schnabel shaped right to flow with the stock. So, went back to basics, laid out the contouring line again, and laid out a circle transition for the front of the schnabel. Then, a transition curve between the two. Went back to the chisels for a bit, I'm more comfortable in them even in this brittle wood. I'm a lot happier with it now, still have to take about 1/16" off of it at the base of the schnabel to have the bottom taper the right amount. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) After chiseling it out, used the file parallel to the forend to smooth it out a bit. Overall, I'm within about 1/32" of final. Will need to locate the forend screw, make an escutcheon and screw, and will shape the rest of it in place on the barrel so as to make it fit the action perfectly. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16455 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #48 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 10:32am	Print Post
	ssdave wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:23am: oneatatime wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:10pm: While you are getting close to it, what is the screw size for a Ballard fore end? I have a few thousand machine screws. Only one fit this hole correctly, and that was from another Ballard. It measures a slightly oversize #8-40. An #8-40 will work, but not well. This is obviously not a restoration of an original, just a homemade project, so I may just drill it out and tap for a #10 x 32, which should about clean it up. Ballard tang sight screws are 9-40, unlike Marlin repeaters after around 1889 that are 8-40. So maybe Marlin used the same 9-40 threads for the forearm screws they used for other places on Ballards?

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3942 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #49 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	You may be on to it, Vall. Maybe even closer to an 8.5. Definitely too large for an 8. There seems to be .013 difference from one standard whole size to the next (hence .026 between an 8 and a 10). We'll see what I have coming that is out of the old Ballard Rifle Company stock.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16455 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #50 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 5:41pm	Print Post
	I've never tried them, but have lots of new breech block screws, and they also may be the same 9-40 size? Maybe I'll pull a forearm and see if a breech block screw fits the threaded hole in the barrel?

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3942 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #51 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 6:25pm	Print Post
	I noticed that with one I have. Except that the threads don't come far enough up the shank if cut off to fore end length it would work.


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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1857 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #52 - Jan 26^th, 2023 at 1:11am	Print Post
	Did just a bit more chisel work and rasping at the schnabel, now looks right, but didn't take any pictures. Laid out the escutcheon location, made a brass escutcheon out of a brass casing, drill, countersink, turn to diameter of the counterbore, and cut off from the casing. I made it to fit a #10-32 flat head machine screw. Then, drill the forearm the counterbore pilot diameter, and counterbore till the escutcheon is flush with the forend surface. Now, to drill the barrel out a bit, and re-tap to 10-32, and will be ready to final fit and start finishing the forend. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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kensmachine Oldtimer Offline Posts: 574 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2012	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #53 - Jan 26^th, 2023 at 11:09am	Print Post
	#8X40 helicoil tap is just about right to chase the threads or cut new threads for the tang sight,trigger,forarm, and a few others on a ballard I will look to day if this right it may be a #6 sti tap. ken


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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1857 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #54 - Jan 27^th, 2023 at 1:12am	Print Post
	My forend screw is now 10-32. Drill out with a #19 bit, run a 10-32 taper tap in till it bottoms, chase it on down with a 10-32 plug tap, and done. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Sanded it to mate with the receiver edges, now that I can hold the forend in place with the screw, but didn't take pictures. Nothing but flat sanding with a block till it's the same contour and thickness as the receiver. I'll mix some epoxy tomorrow, glue in the escutcheon so it can be sanded with the forend, and fill the forend pores with epoxy. A couple more days and I'll be able to do the epoxy sand off, and the buttstock and forend will be ready to start the final finish.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3942 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #55 - Jan 27^th, 2023 at 5:53pm	Print Post
	Just because I brought it up on this thread I will follow up with some information. I received a couple of Ballard fore end screws from the remaining stock of the Cody Ballard works in Wyoming. They are the same shank size as an original screw (.170) and same TPI (40) but the major thread diameter is about an 8 (.164) as opposed to the original's .169. They seat fine in the original barrel.


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1083 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #56 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 10:26pm	Print Post
	AJ wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 8:38pm: SSDave, Getting off topic a bit, way back before the internet there was an article in a gunsmithing book that suggested that a semi-inletted stock blank for a Winchester Model 12 could be adopted to a Ballard action. It is irrelevant to your thread, but I thought I would pass it along in case someone wanted to give it a try. Back on topic, great work on stocking the Ballard. Couldn't stand it! So I bought a cheap stock off Ebay and started hacking and sawing. Yes, it can be made to fit - but should it? The jury is still out. Regards, Joe


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1083 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #57 - Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:57am	Print Post
	Dang! I meant to start a new thread for this. I apologize for cluttering up your thread ssdave. Joe


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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1857 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #58 - Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	jfeldman wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:57am: Dang! I meant to start a new thread for this. I apologize for cluttering up your thread ssdave. Joe No problem, it's an interesting adaptation. You made it work pretty well; the pistol grip doesn't quite proportion right, and I think I'd cut the front of the comb down slightly, and maybe thin it a bit to reduce the thumb cut at the step. Hard to see exactly because of the picture angle.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16455 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard stock adaptation/inletting/fitting Reply #59 - Jan 29^th, 2023 at 3:26pm	Print Post
	jfeldman wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 10:26pm: AJ wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 8:38pm: SSDave, Getting off topic a bit, way back before the internet there was an article in a gunsmithing book that suggested that a semi-inletted stock blank for a Winchester Model 12 could be adopted to a Ballard action. It is irrelevant to your thread, but I thought I would pass it along in case someone wanted to give it a try. Back on topic, great work on stocking the Ballard. Couldn't stand it! So I bought a cheap stock off Ebay and started hacking and sawing. Yes, it can be made to fit - but should it? The jury is still out. Regards, Joe I have a number of pistol grip Ballard stock spares, but all but one are checkered and I don't want to cut into the checkering. So I used the one stock that had no checkering to do the same thing and fit it to my straight grip #4 Perfection. It has a Niedner buttplate, so it will be very comfortable with my heavy BP loads. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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