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Jul 1st, 2022 at 5:16pm
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I have been using candle wax and shaper chips for fluxing lead for a few years, and they seem to work OK. However, occasionally small bits of  hot material will be expelled from the pot when fluxing. I caught one on the lip a few years ago and that hurt like hell! fortunately, no harm done. 
Today, I noticed that the cotton rug I drop my bullets had a frilly fringe around the edge, and if some of that hot stuff from the pot ever hit it, it could catch fire. I am casting in my garage with about 30 gallons of gasoline and other flammables. so I was a little concerned. Sure enough , about 15 minutes later I got a little "pop" when I fluxed and the dang rug caught fire. Since I had my heavy leather welding gloves on I was able to snuff it out quickly. I have no idea what causes these minor eruptions, so if anyone has any ideas, please advise. I cannot believe any moisture is the culprit, but I suppose its possible. 

NEI used to sell a rosin flux that seemed to be effective and had a very pleasant aroma. Does anyone know if that produce is available anywhere at this time?

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Re: bullet flux
Reply #1 - Jul 1st, 2022 at 6:28pm
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I have been using Paraffin wax for almost 40 years. It's the stuff that you can get almost everywhere (Walmart). It is also called Gulf Wax. It comes by the pound. I break it into pieces the size of my thumb nail and drop a piece onto the top of the melted metal followed by a strike anywhere match. It you don't light the smoke it will self-ignite with a flash. I suspect the chips you are using contain moisture.
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Reply #2 - Jul 1st, 2022 at 8:17pm
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a wood-worker friend gave me a few pieces of really "pitchy" pine wood, and I just stir the pot with one of those to flux it.  One can also use about any kind of wax or oil for a good result.  What is needed/desired is some compound that will provide a reducing environment for the melt.  This allows oxides, etc, to separate easily from the melt and be easily skimmed off, without removing much lead metal.  Even fine pine sawdust works very well.   I've never had any problem with any of the above.

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Reply #3 - Jul 1st, 2022 at 9:59pm
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I stir with wood.  Have to watch the moisture content.  Also I use a pinch of borax on the top.  Works well, sides of the pot stay clean (from using the wood stirring stick).  I've used pine and oak and whatever is in paint stirring sticks.
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 1st, 2022 at 10:56pm
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Rodeo supply companies will sell chunk rosin.
Haven't seen a difference between the black or regular for flux.
Have to break it up into pea size pieces. Works well.
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Reply #5 - Jul 2nd, 2022 at 12:40pm
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Almost sure your pops are moisture. I use old lube, candle chips and beeswax. Tried Marvelux from Brownells. It is Borax based which is hydroscopic. When I used a large spoon to clean off the dross some flux remains on the spoon. The next time I used the spoon the flux that remained on it has absorbed water. I put it in the pot and the lead erupts. The Mavelux that remained in the container is now in a landfill!
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 2nd, 2022 at 1:49pm
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I use a salt shaker to apply the borax.
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 2nd, 2022 at 2:26pm
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I usually use beeswax 'cause it smells nice when it burns.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 3rd, 2022 at 8:52am
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If you can find it, Rosin is available in a shaker can, almost like talk powder, it works well, also carnuba was chips also work very well for flux. 
I use both and they seem to work equaly well and both smell good. Less smoke than other waxes.
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Reply #9 - Jul 3rd, 2022 at 10:56am
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I stopped fluxing years ago I just stir the pot and skim the dross off the top.
  

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Reply #10 - Jul 3rd, 2022 at 11:13am
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Some impurities are embedded in the flux and some are driven back into the alloy by the flux.

I did not want the impurities driven back into my alloy and started pulling the dross off the alloy as it starts to melt.

The lead:tin alloy has a lower melting point and will melt first.
So as soon as the alloy melts the dross with a higher melting temperature will float on top.

Skim it off before it gets too warm and starts mixing back into  your alloy.

Safer to not use flux and less air pollution and no explosions from accidentally adding moisture when adding flux.

And I believe you end up with a cleaner alloy by the proper timing of skimming off the dross.
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Reply #11 - Jul 3rd, 2022 at 3:04pm
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Schuetzendave it took quite sometime to discover the same thing and there is actually no reason to have to flux. This I learned from a very dear friend. And one the best benchrest  breech seating competitors that I have been privileged to be able to compete with and on a monthly basis.
  

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