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Re: Haenel System Aydt Question
Reply #15 - Jun 14th, 2022 at 7:05pm
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Tom Rowe’s 3 vol set has a photo of the target.
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Reply #16 - Jun 14th, 2022 at 10:27pm
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Here it is. I'm to pooped to look in Toms book. Thinking this one is for Zimmetstutzen. Same thing just smaller.
  

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Reply #17 - Jul 1st, 2022 at 8:08am
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Does anyone have any tips for reassembling one of these?   

Yes, I have a parts collection.
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 1st, 2022 at 12:28pm
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They were made to be disassembled & reassembled on the kitchen table with no tools.  It's like a challenging jigsaw puzzle.  The pieces have to go back in a certain order.  

My Haenel Aydt has a chamber that allows almost any .30-30 or .32 Special case to be used.  Rim diameter does not matter.  Case length may not be critical unless you use stop-ring bullets, maybe not even then.

I'm relatively sure that you can breech-seat bullets with a plugged case.  If not, you might be able to use fixed ammunition with a longer than 46 mm case.  Experiment, but keep pressures & velocities low.  It's not a High Wall.
  
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Reply #19 - Jul 1st, 2022 at 12:48pm
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Good advice
  
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Reply #20 - Jul 2nd, 2022 at 12:30pm
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I think 8.15 Brass is available from Huntingtons. The Germans don't use breech seaters, fixed ammo only. I have a Buchel Ideal and was trying breech seating and was getting a "modified choke" group. I went to fixed ammo and success! 1 1/2-2" at 100 with iron sights. The "Original" on the side of the breech block means that the action was made by Haenel but the rest of the rifle was made by another firm, probably in Zella Mehlis. The numbers on the top of the barrel, I believe, are for different ranges. Some clubs didn't have a 300m range. Most shooting in Germany now is at 100m. I never saw any shooters using stop ring bullets.
  
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Reply #21 - Jul 2nd, 2022 at 1:45pm
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TRowe wrote on Jul 2nd, 2022 at 12:30pm:
I think 8.15 Brass is available from Huntingtons. The Germans don't use breech seaters, fixed ammo only. I have a Buchel Ideal and was trying breech seating and was getting a "modified choke" group. I went to fixed ammo and success! 1 1/2-2" at 100 with iron sights. The "Original" on the side of the breech block means that the action was made by Haenel but the rest of the rifle was made by another firm, probably in Zella Mehlis. The numbers on the top of the barrel, I believe, are for different ranges. Some clubs didn't have a 300m range. Most shooting in Germany now is at 100m. I never saw any shooters using stop ring bullets.


My experience with two Haenel Aydts is that they function with .30-30 or .32 Winchester Special cases without modifying the rims.  Just trim length to fit the chamber and have at it.  There is a slight gap between the rear of the barrel and the front face of the breech block when closed.  The .30-30 rim fills that gap, perhaps a bit more securely than does the smaller diameter rim of the 8.15 case.

I have an old Martini-actioned rifle, beautifully accurate, that requires actual 8.15 cases.  Much easier to buy cases than to mess with .30-30 case conversions.

A few years back, Biggi gave me a box of German newly-made stop-ring bullets.  Someone must use them.
  
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Reply #22 - Jul 4th, 2022 at 3:13pm
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It is my understanding that the open barrel sight is the intended sight to use in matches.  The  rear appature sight is only to  sharpen the barrel sight.
  
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Reply #23 - Jul 5th, 2022 at 7:17am
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I like the stop-ring bullet in my J.P. Sauer. Easy to load too.
  
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Reply #24 - Jul 5th, 2022 at 10:44am
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Early on a three sight system was used but soon discarded. The diopter (Peep) sight is used for the Stand match. In the old days Stand match was at 200 meters, now 100m. Attended a few matches in Germany (someone had to drink the beer) and all shooters I talked to used a new design swaged bullet, no grooves, with a special lubricant. All used fixed ammo and most were using bullets I thought were oversize. Contact Biggi for the final word.
  
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Re: Haenel System Aydt Question
Reply #25 - Jul 5th, 2022 at 12:24pm
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I still shoot stop ring, because it is easy and I am lazy. I have found that oversized shoot better than bore size. 320 base band in a 317 bore.
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Reply #26 - Aug 1st, 2022 at 8:27pm
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Per my sources with the German Gun Collectors Association...

Contrary to most U.S. target shooters who are accustomed to shooting for accuracy with large diameter tang sights -- the German shooters used the barrel-mounted "mid sight" to sight on the target; that was THE sight used for accuracy.

As .22-5-40 said above, the only reason a large diameter rear peep sight was used was to sharpen the image (per the aperture effect) of the mid sight.

All German target rifles I have had, luckily (or so I thought...) had the U.S.-desirable large diameter & adjustable tang sights and front sights -- but none have ever had a 3rd, or mid sight, present.  (And if they did -- I'd bet I would have removed it anyway!)  The markings on that flat you showed are likely used to slide the mid sight fore and back, based on light conditions, or for different shooters.

Oh, and some German GI-bring-back target rifles are sold with "no sights" (or "missing" sights, that is), as that made it easier for returning GIs to "bring back" an incomplete rifle.

Hope this helps.

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