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Reply #15 - Apr 18th, 2022 at 9:00am
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Reply #16 - Apr 21st, 2022 at 1:09pm
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Thanks guys.  This is exactly what I was hoping for.  The topic of Ballards is wide and deep, and this particular “pool” is not mapped very well, but I find it fascinating.   Wink

Jerry, those three from CCJ reveal a lot of what I was hoping for.  I remember when our friend Dale McGee took some pictures of them for the Journal several years ago, but he lost them in a computer crash.  Embarrassed  I mistakenly thought that when you and I discussed them you had said CCJ did do the wood for his own guns (only) but it would make sense that since he had access to some great stock makers he wouldn’t want to waste time on stocks when he could be devoting it to more productive metal work.  Cool

jfeldman, that looks like what I visualize being a position rifle.  Out of curiosity, is it for a straight or for a pistol grip receiver profile?  Is it currently in use?  Roll Eyes

Crown-C, if it’s chambered in 35-40 Maynard it would not fit into the category of position rifle.  In my understanding of the definition, a position rifle will be chambered in 22 rim fire. Nice rifle though! Smiley

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Reply #17 - Apr 21st, 2022 at 1:18pm
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Joe Do, I’m loving that Eric Johnson example too, especially that Lyman 103 tang sight!  Nice example of the breed.

I’d be curious as to whether Eric and Charley Johnson knew each other… I’ve been told they weren’t related, but it seems like they would have bumped into each other at some place like Camp Perry.  Jerry, did your grandfather ever mention Eric to you?
  
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Reply #18 - Apr 22nd, 2022 at 8:16pm
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Froggy, those stocks came off a straight grip receiver and are currently taking up space on a shelf in the gun room!

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Reply #19 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 3:33pm
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Froggie,
Eric Johnson and Charles C Johnson were not related. Eric was born in Sweden, CCJ was born in Logan County Ohio. They might have met at Camp Perry when CCJ went there to deliver rifles during the Nationals, but I never heard it mentioned. It is certain they knew of each other.
As to stock work  CCJ was so busy with metal work he used local stockmakers for most single shots, and after ww2 he would fit semi inletted blanks to sporterized rifles but preferred to leave the stock work to others.
If you think it would be of interest I will do some digging for the adjustable hook buttplare prototype CCJ made for his position rifle and get some photos of it.
As to Ballards being used for position rifles they had a fast lock time, especially when worked by a skilled gunsmith, and the action is short compared to the average bolt action, giving a shorter overall rifle for the same weight.
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Reply #20 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 4:32pm
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Thanks Jerry.  Great additional info to my quest and pretty supportive of what I had surmised. Yes, some pics of the adjustable buttplate would be great.  I’m especially interested in how the Rules Committee was able to “outlaw” his hooked buttplate when Freeland sold one and we still see them on Anschutz and other rifles today.  His must have been “too good!”  Roll Eyes

BTW, did you know that up until a few years ago there was a big gunsmith and parts dealer down in North Carolina named Eric Johnson?  I used to see him at gun shows back in the ‘90s and was very confused when I first read about barrel maker Eric Johnson and your grandfather, also surnamed Johnson, all in the gun business.  And of course that ignores the Johnson Rifle designer.  There must be some sort of gun makers’ magic attached to the Johnson name, huh?  Grin Grin

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Reply #21 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 7:02pm
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I will look for it. Freeland's business did not really take off until after WW2, by then the NRA lifted the buttplate ban because the depression was over.  There are a lot of Johnsons,  stands to reason some would be gun people.
  
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Reply #22 - May 2nd, 2022 at 4:56pm
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Update:  A stock arrived today from California.  A little more fitting and the Franken-Ballard will be ready for the range.  The barrel channel in the fore end needs a little more relief and I have to adjust the trigger so the lever doesn’t interfere and it will be done.
The receiver, tang and wood came from California, the internals of the action (block, hammer, trigger, lever, etc) came from a cigar box in Charlie Dell’s shop, and the barrel was fitted to another Ballard “BY E CHEEK, SPRINGFIELD, OHIO”
Does anyone recognize that gunsmith?  I can’t seem to even find mention of him anywhere.
Anyway, this thread has been productive for completing this “restoration” project.  Thanks to all involved and especially to jfeldman for the stock.
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Reply #23 - May 2nd, 2022 at 8:27pm
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I would like to revert my Ballard position rifle back to its former glory. Currently it serves as a super accurate BR rifle on occasion. Trouble is I don't know exactly what it was originally. Could have been a long range rifle or a #6. Not sure if the current loop lever is original to the action. I have all the parts to turn it back into one of the original configurations.  One of these days maybe. If it wasn't so dang accurate it would make it much more tempting.
Below, Gabi just after scoring her first 250. First time she had shot the rifle.
  

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Reply #24 - May 3rd, 2022 at 4:55pm
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Crown-C wrote on Apr 17th, 2022 at 6:12pm:
This is my Position rifle (if that is what it is). It’s a Ballard I bought from a gentleman from Iowa at the Tulsa show about 15 years ago. Quite a heavy barrel measuring 1.230 at the muzzle & 1.35 at the breech and is 26.5” long. Caliber is 35-40 Maynard.

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Reply #25 - May 3rd, 2022 at 6:02pm
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westerner wrote on May 2nd, 2022 at 8:27pm:
I would like to revert my Ballard position rifle back to its former glory. Currently it serves as a super accurate BR rifle on occasion. Trouble is I don't know exactly what it was originally. Could have been a long range rifle or a #6. Not sure if the current loop lever is original to the action. I have all the parts to turn it back into one of the original configurations.  One of these days maybe. If it wasn't so dang accurate it would make it much more tempting.
Below, Gabi just after scoring her first 250. First time she had shot the rifle.

Well it appears no one else is going to ask, who is this fair lassie Gabi?
  
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Reply #26 - May 3rd, 2022 at 6:21pm
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My daughter in law Gabi, Gabi Turner at Tacoma a few years ago. Think it was her first target for score also.  She shoots OH too.
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Reply #27 - May 3rd, 2022 at 6:41pm
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westerner wrote on May 3rd, 2022 at 6:21pm:
My daughter in law Gabi at Tacoma a few years ago. Think it was her first target for score also.  She shoots OH too.

Thanks for the quick reply Joe, a couple of the lads in the clan had to know. Congratulations to her fine shooting.
  
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Reply #28 - May 7th, 2022 at 6:21pm
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Joe, 

I’ve come (reluctantly) to the conclusion that a rifle can only be original once.  I sorta beat the odds about 25 years ago when I gathered up all original parts and reassembled them to form an original appearing “Plain Sporter” high wall in 32-40. It even passed muster with John Campbell while he was heavily involved writing his books.  This was the height of plain dumb luck though, and the fact that it wasn’t a special configuration made parts easier to find.  It did have a single set trigger, but all of the parts associated with that came with it, praise be!   

I’m not sure I’d ever even be able to duplicate that feat again, but recreating a modified rifle is much less challenging.  I would say that Ballard of yours has carved its own niche in history (as apparently has D-I-L Gabi too, shooting a possible the first time with that rifle!)  I for one would vote in favor of leaving it alone.  It’s your rifle of course, and YMMV.

My Franken-Ballard literally came to me one and two pieces at a time from all over the country, reminiscent of a certain Cadillac in a famous song.  It has no originality remaining to be lost, so I figure it’s a great candidate for an homage to the 22 cal position rifles of the past.   

Thanks again to all who contributed information as well as parts to this endeavor.

Froggie

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Reply #29 - May 7th, 2022 at 6:50pm
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I've had the rifle for about twenty years so I doubt I'll do anything to it. But I do yearn for an engraved #6. If converted back it would get a lot more use. Trades? Anyone?  Trade for an engraved #6? 32-40?   Huh
  

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