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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	28-30 brass... Mar 31^st, 2022 at 12:55pm	Print Post
	Is there a source for brass and dies? Can it be formed from something else? thanks, Rich


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10624 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #1 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	Dies yes and brass a yes there was an Article Published in a past ASSRA Single Shot Journal on what to use and how to go about it. Unfortunately it is just about as hard to get as is the 28-30 brass itself and you can request to get a copy from the ASSRA's Archives

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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #2 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 2:14pm	Print Post
	thank you. Rich


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4046 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #3 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 2:46pm	Print Post
	A word about dies. I have a CH4D set, and while the FL die and the seater work well, the expander is worse than useless. The mandrel is both too small and too short. The case is so long that it cocks off center as the mandrel enters, and the mouth gets distorted beyond use. And it was sized assuming you would be shooting jacketed bullets - much too small for cast. I made up a proper expander that uses the so-called Lee Universal Expanded die body. Drawing available. The parent brass if you want to try reforming is 5.6(?) x 63, and I have a little. It waren't cheap, but I now have enough original brass that I could let some go. Assuming I can find it! Haven't laid eyes on it for 2-3 years now.

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Gerald Participating Member Offline Posts: 21 Location: minnesota Joined: Aug 14^th, 2015	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #4 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	The brass can be ordered from Rocky Mountain Cartridge in either small or large rifle primers. Ebay currently has a three die set of CH4D 28-30 dies for sale that ends in two days, rarely see these dies for sale. Bertram has made 28-30 brass but its a basic that needs to be run through a sizing die and trimmed to length.


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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #5 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 4:29pm	Print Post
	Thanks to all. I have a call into RMC, just waiting for the call back. Sounds like CH4D dies have an issue. Obviously I will be shooting cast. Any thoughts on how big a PITA it would be to have a proper mandrel made? Rich


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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2240 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #6 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:20pm	Print Post
	Get a Lyman M die for 7mm.

	David Kaiser Montezuma, IA
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4046 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #7 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:22pm	Print Post
	You don't, I take it, have a lathe or access to one?

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4046 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #8 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	38_Cal wrote on Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:20pm: Get a Lyman M die for 7mm. M die has the same problem - the mandrels are too short. Not hard to make a long one if a lathe is available.

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2802 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #9 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:32pm	Print Post
	38_Cal wrote on Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:20pm: Get a Lyman M die for 7mm. That will work. Cheapest solution.


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2802 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #10 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:41pm	Print Post
	Can you still get Bertram brass? It's ugly. It must be annealed before you do anything else to it. But I bought 40 cases several years ago. 36 survived annealing & a run into my C-H dies (which are 100 % OK). Since then, I've lost one Bertram case. 35 is enough. I'm breech seating. I have a box of RMC cases. The hole in the primer pocket is too small for any decapping pin. Never used them. I still have a dozen or so original cases, and use them. Biggest problem has been deformation of the rims over time. I use the bad ones as plugged cases. In my Stevens, I don't resize unless the case won't go into the chamber. I was afraid I'd lose Bertram cases, so I annealed and sized all of them before they ever went near my rifle.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4046 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #11 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	waterman wrote on Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:32pm: 38_Cal wrote on Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:20pm: Get a Lyman M die for 7mm. That will work. Cheapest solution. Not well. Been there already. The expander I made is on the left. It has a very long entry to straighten the case up before it gets to the actual expander diameter.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4046 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #12 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:48pm	Print Post
	Worth knowing that Stevens chambers were very tight, and the reamer that CPA is using likewise. The fellow I made those tools for was trying to use a .287 cast bullet, and in every kind of brass, including RCC, a loaded round would not chamber at all. I'm sizing my bullets .2845 for both my original Stevens barrels. (Made the sizer die myself also.)

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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 815 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #13 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 6:18pm	Print Post
	The wife’s 044 1/2 is a 28-30. Bought 40 rounds of Bertrand 30 years ago Borrowed a sizing die from Paul at CPA. Annealed, sized, never lost a case, she breach seats, still have 40 cases. The Bertrand rims very in diameter somewhat. Mike


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2802 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #14 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 6:21pm	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2022 at 5:48pm: Worth knowing that Stevens chambers were very tight, and the reamer that CPA is using likewise. The fellow I made those tools for was trying to use a .287 cast bullet, and in every kind of brass, including RCC, a loaded round would not chamber at all. I'm sizing my bullets .2845 for both my original Stevens barrels. (Made the sizer die myself also.) If you have a Stevens, just breech-seat with a plugged case. Lots of problems just go away.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4046 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #15 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 6:23pm	Print Post
	Yes, that's the ultimate solution.

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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #16 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 6:36pm	Print Post
	Again, gentlemen, my thanks to all of you. Now the search for a breech seater begins... Rich


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2802 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #17 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 8:12pm	Print Post
	ISS wrote on Mar 31^st, 2022 at 6:36pm: Again, gentlemen, my thanks to all of you. Now the search for a breech seater begins... Rich A fired case and a 5/16" wood dowel


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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #18 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	waterman, too simple. but, thank you Rich


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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 838 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: 28-30 brass... Reply #19 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 9:48pm	Print Post
	I use RMC brass, I haven’t noticed a problem with the primer flash holes in my brass. I use an ideal #3 tong tool with the original decapping pin to de-cap and prime, and a 7 mm Mauser die to seat and lightly crimp the bullet. I use 4227 and an Ideal 285221 120 grain bullet mold. A 28-30 is pleasant to shoot and has a distinct report when you fire it. One of my favorite calibers. With fired brass and with bullets sized to .285, I do not need to expand the case neck to seat the bullet. Maybe I am lucky I guess.
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