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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	To D&T barrel or not...? Mar 19^th, 2022 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	I bought the Miller prize rifle Jim Feren won at Coors. It has not been drilled and tapped for scope blocks on the octagon barrel. I would like to shoot it. Should I go ahead and do it so that I can stick my big Unertl on it and shoot at least one match? Or do I just leave it alone and enjoy looking at it? thanks, Rich


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bluesman Full Member Offline Posts: 192 Location: Paradise, California Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #1 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 5:37pm	Print Post
	It's a tough decision....I am also trying to decide on drilling and tapping for scope blocks to mount a full length MVA scope on my old Hepburn Creedmoor....The rifle has been rebored from 44-100 to 45-100 and altered a bit over the last hundred and some years so she's no collector's piece but still...It's hard to think of altering it further.But I really want to see how it shoots with my aging eyes. That Coors gun is probably gonna be a serious shooter....I'd be tempted to do it just to see what she'll do....Fat lot of help I am, eh?


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1314 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #2 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 6:21pm	Print Post
	If the builders thought that although made as a prize, there was a chance the rifle would be shot with any real seriousness, you'd have thought they'd have drilled and tapped it themselves. Bill Lawrence


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1568 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #3 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 7:18pm	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 6:21pm: If the builders thought that although made as a prize, there was a chance the rifle would be shot with any real seriousness, you'd have thought they'd have drilled and tapped it themselves. Bill Lawrence Agree!


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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #4 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 7:40pm	Print Post
	Yes, preserving it has merit. Ron Long built it, so it has some value as one of his best. Need more time to think this over. Rich


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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 905 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #5 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 7:41pm	Print Post
	I own way too many rifles, maybe I am weird, but I don’t care to own a rifle I can’t shoot, life is too short for that. Mike


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1314 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #6 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 7:50pm	Print Post
	That's fine, yamoon; but you're not the present caretaker of the Ron-Long-built prize rifle. Bill Lawrence


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1568 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #7 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	yamoon wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 7:41pm: I own way too many rifles, maybe I am weird, but I don’t care to own a rifle I can’t shoot, life is too short for that. Mike Agree. It's like marrying a virgin and keeping her that way...


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kensmachine Oldtimer Offline Posts: 574 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2012	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #8 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 8:40pm	Print Post
	My 2 cents on this it's Not a nice Ballard #7 or a nice old sharps . If Jim walked into Ron's shop and asked Ron to D&T after he won it I am sure Ron would have said what spacing do you want and that will be a week or two Ken


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1083 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #9 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 8:59pm	Print Post
	What Ken said. Regards, Joe


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1099 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #10 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 9:09pm	Print Post
	Cbashooter wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 8:11pm: yamoon wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 7:41pm: I own way too many rifles, maybe I am weird, but I don’t care to own a rifle I can’t shoot, life is too short for that. Mike Agree. It's like marrying a virgin and keeping her that way... Only shot twice, once by the baseball team, once by the football team


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1861 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #11 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 10:08pm	Print Post
	I have always sold every gun I've had that was to collectable to shoot. I agree with Yomoon enjoy it. That said I think its a small group that would want it to collect and being D&T and shot won't matter enough to offset the pleasure of shooting it and the conversations it will bring. Also I think that there was a second rifle like that that was Max Goodwin's. Clark Ehlers owned it and then sold it at Rock Island Auction a few years ago. He shot it and I assume Max did to.
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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 905 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #12 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	Another Coors prize rifle was for sale a couple of years ago just a 40 minute drive away, I will admit I gave it some thought, but decided against it. It was a Ruger #1. Mike


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3912 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #13 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:20am	Print Post
	On the other hand, maybe Ron didn't want D&T it with holes on a spacing that the winner couldn't use and was waiting to be told what was wanted. Of course, ISS, you have so many new rifles right now to shoot that it may be a while before you actually get around to this one so maybe you should just wait until you do to decide;-)


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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #14 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 2:16am	Print Post
	I am going to hold off for now. I also own one handgun I have not shot. It is one of the Elmer Keith commemoratives S&W made. 29-3. I need to sell it and buy a 29 I will shoot. Any takers...? Rich


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ballardhepburnmich ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 598 Location: Scotts,mi. Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #15 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 4:57am	Print Post
	If it is drilled and tapped correctly with the proper spacing it should not harm its value. Lee Gibbs Pres.ASSRA


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ssrifles Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 281 Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2009	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #16 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 10:31am	Print Post
	i have a beautiful jersey city pope ballard #6 that was not d&t. i will not , but i have talked to couple of friends that said they epoxy the blocks to the barrel. it holds and if you want to remove them just a small wack with a brass punch and they're off , a little clean up and no damage to the blue. tony<><


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #17 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 11:32am	Print Post
	Ron Longs work is second to none, but it is also what might be considered to be modern made rifle. I personally do not see how it could have any ill effects on its current value but just the opposite but that's just me.

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rollingblock Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 387 Location: Texas part of New Mexico Joined: Aug 19^th, 2012	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #18 - Mar 26^th, 2022 at 8:45pm	Print Post
	Unless Ron Long is known to have never D&T a barrel, is it really an issue.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11512 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #19 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 4:39pm	Print Post
	Hang it over the fireplace. Or make a lamp out of it with a Miller Lite lamp shade.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1194 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #20 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	Rich, here's something to chew on that may help make your decision whether to D&T that Miller barrel for scope mounts. During the time period that prize rifle was awarded, many (probably most) of the top shooters were switching from externally adjusted scopes (Unertl & Lyman) to internals. As the mounts are quite different from each other, the winner of that rifle could have it D&T'ed to his preference (or not).

	Randy W ASSRA 10211 - ISSA 125 There are indeed two Americas. Simply put, it is not the haves and have nots. The two Americans are in reality divided into those who do and those who don't.
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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #21 - Mar 28^th, 2022 at 2:02am	Print Post
	true, that... I found a plain but identical rifle in WA for $2700. It is already D&T, so I will leave the Coors rifle alone for now. Rich


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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 509 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #22 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 11:04am	Print Post
	I'm not familiar with the rifle in question but I'd have to ask myself what has more value, the opportunity to shoot the gun with a scope or its market value as a unmolested piece? If the former then go for it. If the latter then leave it alone. However, the former will be forever and the urge to see what it would do as a scoped gun may be momentarily. And the world is full of accurate guns waiting to be found. So I guess you can see what side of the issue I'm coming down on here. Best of luck.


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Timetripper Full Member Offline Posts: 111 Location: Carlisle Joined: Mar 4^th, 2013	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #23 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:26pm	Print Post
	It is something of a White Elephant... but at least it doesn't have to be fed. I've have a few Safe Queens, but nothing in that league. Sold them to buy several good shooters for each. John


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critter68 Senior Forum Member ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 273 Location: Wisconsin Joined: May 31^st, 2018	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #24 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	I agree with RSW

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J.Francis Full Member Offline Posts: 155 Location: Pownal, Vermont Joined: Nov 20^th, 2011	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #25 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 5:41am	Print Post
	cbashooter's comment about marrying a virgin and keeping her that way is the best analogy I've ever read. Kudos!


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #26 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 10:12am	Print Post
	As long as it doesn't Obscure engravings, go ahead. 40 Rod


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11512 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #27 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 11:22am	Print Post
	Send the rifle, blocks and screws to me. I'll drill and tap it for you.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11512 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #28 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 1:22pm	Print Post
	Have you considered glueing the blocks on? Here is a Canadian glue on deviation with safety wires.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11512 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #29 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 2:43pm	Print Post
	Hey! WAKE UP OUT THERE!! Is anyone listening to me?!

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #30 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 3:02pm	Print Post
	Topic is getting really Old Joe but I did like your Lamp approach.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11512 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #31 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 3:36pm	Print Post
	Well nobody ever listens to me. Should I go warsh my car, John?

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1099 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #32 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 3:56pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Mar 30^th, 2022 at 2:43pm: Hey! WAKE UP OUT THERE!! Is anyone listening to me?! Waiting for the call to come help (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11512 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #33 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	You can have the best intentions and lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.....

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3912 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #34 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 6:13pm	Print Post
	Hey, Joe, the rifling is supposed to be on the inside of the barrel!!!


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11512 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #35 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 7:46pm	Print Post
	Tom Bodnars rifles. Yes, I told him. He laughed....

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #36 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 9:11am	Print Post
	Sometimes you just goda do whatcha goda do to use it. Charlie Dells screw barrel: A left or a Right hand twist. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11512 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #37 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 10:35am	Print Post
	And a rail gun........ Notice it's drilled and tapped.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #38 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 11:00am	Print Post
	You just have to Love the use of that piece of rail road track. Also makes one also wonder how hard it was to actually tap.

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Timetripper Full Member Offline Posts: 111 Location: Carlisle Joined: Mar 4^th, 2013	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #39 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 6:56pm	Print Post
	The perfect rifle for the recoil sensitive shooter! John


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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #40 - Mar 31^st, 2022 at 10:57pm	Print Post
	I bought a chunk of I-beam about that size from the old Boeing surplus yard when they used to sell to folks. It's aluminum, but I could add a nice slab of lead on each side. And, I do have a very nice HW with a 1.25" barrel in, (audience gasps) 32-40 laying on the floor in the corner. I am actually buying a Schuetzen rifle (HW) not chambered in the 32-40. A 38-55. And looking, at a Stevens-Pope in 28-30. Diversification coming late... Rich
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #41 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 8:34am	Print Post
	Actually looks like the scope mount was epoxied and or soldered when being enlarged. And where is the barrel did Ron actually cut rifle that piece of RR Track same as he did with the Rebar rifles.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: To D&T barrel or not...? Reply #42 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:52pm	Print Post
	Would have been interesting just to see the setup for turning and threading the tenon for installing the action. Anyone happen know the Rockwell Hardness for work hardened Railroad Track?

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