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Rimmed European Cartridges
Feb 17th, 2022 at 3:31am
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I have been presented with an opportunity to purchase an interesting bolt gun (apologies to the Single Shot Gods  Grin) in an oddball European calibre of 9.5 x 57 Rimless or sometimes called 375 Rimless Express by the good folk of the British Isles. During my search through my ammo collection I came across these rimmed European rounds an simply post the picture for any that might be interested. The 8 x 72R is kind of funky and obviously a close relation to the 9.3x72R and probably the 38/72 Win.

Oh I did find the 9.5x57 rimless but did not post a pic as it for a bolt gun.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2022 at 9:33am
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I had a 6.5x72R combo gun. Still have die set made by Charlie Dell to form and load for it. Have a couple of loaded rouds too. I'll gather one up and post a picture. moodyholler
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2022 at 12:12pm
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There are many European rimmed cartridges, here is an Austrian Alexander Henry chambered in 8x50r Mannlicher.
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Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2022 at 1:11pm
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8x50 Mannlicher
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2022 at 4:01am
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moodyholler wrote on Feb 20th, 2022 at 9:33am:
I had a 6.5x72R combo gun. Still have die set made by Charlie Dell to form and load for it. Have a couple of loaded rouds too. I'll gather one up and post a picture. moodyholler


That would be very neat to see for sure.  Smiley
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2022 at 4:03am
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yamoon wrote on Feb 20th, 2022 at 12:12pm:
There are many European rimmed cartridges, here is an Austrian Alexander Henry chambered in 8x50r Mannlicher.
Mike


Mike, great rifle really appreciate the pictures.  Smiley
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2022 at 4:29am
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Most of these cartridges are derivatives of the old British .360 x 21/4 round.
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Reply #7 - Feb 21st, 2022 at 10:07am
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I have a rifle made by Kessler in what measures by bore and chamber length to be a 9.3x47. It is a bottle neck.

  

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Reply #8 - Feb 21st, 2022 at 8:37pm
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kootne wrote on Feb 21st, 2022 at 10:07am:
I have a rifle made by Kessler in what measures by bore and chamber length to be a 9.3x47. It is a bottle neck.


I also have a Kessler 9.5x47R retains almost 100 Colour case and is silver inlaid which you should be able to see in one of the photos. Shot it a few times with Black Powder and it shoot remarkably well. The Barleycorn front sight does nothing to help accuracy though
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 21st, 2022 at 10:49pm
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Nice Kessler, all of my target rifles are German 8.15x46r. I do have 2 hiwalls and a 044 1/2 but don’t shoot them, they pretty much gather dust.
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Reply #10 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 11:14am
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Charlie, your rife is really nice. Mine suffered quite a bit more over the years than your's but most of the silver inlay is still there. Those old Germans were real craftsmen. Mine has a tiny round bottom groove cut down the exact middle of every land. Got to use magnification to see them. I'm not sure why that was done other than just, "because I can".
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 3:08pm
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Below is a photo of the 9.5X47R used in the two beautiful rifles shown above.
It's my understanding that it was the forerunner of the 8.15X46R.
Both rounds are very good cartridges and a pleasure to shoot.
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Reply #12 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 5:03pm
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Here are a few more (left to right):
6.5x58R; 8.15x46R; 9.3x57R (360); 9.3x72R; 9.3x74R; 10.15x60R
The 9.3x57R (360) is for all purposes identical to its noted namesake, the British 360 2 1/4. The 9.3x72R is another of the "360" family as is the 9.3x82R, the 9x72R, the 8x72R, the 8x58R and so on. The 3 to the left of the 9.3x72R can be made from it as they share the 360 rim and head size. The 360 2 1/4 was a very popular small game cartridge in its day and not just in Britain. The 9.3x74R is a high power round almost equal to the 375 H&H. The 10.15x60R is more commonly known here as the 11mm Mauser or the 43 Mauser and was a popular sporting round in addition to its military function.
The rifles are a Nagel Heeren in the 6.5x58R; a Greifelt sporting falling block (in Hass's book as the "Kettner") in 8.15x46R; a Husquarvna Cape gun in 16ga and 9.3x57R; my hunting rifle, a German take on the British Fraser, in 9.3x74R; and a German Cape in 16ga and 10.15x60R on a Belgian supplied action.
Sorry about the reflection on the Heeren. Here's another one that shows this cute little (but very strong!) falling block action. It is operated by pulling the front of the trigger guard down. It has a close coupled single set trigger.

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Re: Rimmed European Cartridges
Reply #13 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 6:21pm
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Very nice, I particularly like the 9.3x74r. I have a very nice nitro proofed 8.15x46r falling block. I can’t decide what to do with it, wish it was one of the 9.3 cartridges, either a 72 or 74. It is too nice to part with.
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