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Henry Fraser two position British Rifles
Feb 5th, 2022 at 8:13pm
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Very few of these were made and most sent to India and South Africa. The top and bottom are muzzle loaders, the one in the center, cartridge.
  
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Re: Henry Fraser two position British Rifles
Reply #1 - Feb 5th, 2022 at 8:22pm
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The middle centerfire Fraser is especially neat! Looks like it may have been the model for the AR-15 shape of things to come.😂 Many of the Fraser’s are best quality rifles.
  

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Re: Henry Fraser two position British Rifles
Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2022 at 8:45pm
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These are interesting looking rifles ,but I am unfamiliar with two position rifles and would enjoy seeing some pictures of them in their respective firing positions. Thanks John Robert
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 5th, 2022 at 9:26pm
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Me as well
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 5th, 2022 at 11:06pm
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The rifle was designed for Creedmoor matches and could be used either in the supine position or face forward position. In the supine position the stock was slipped over your shoulder and then you use the front trigger to fire the rifle. That position kept.your face closer to the rear sight. The front position, was fired like you see pictures of Colonel Bodine shooting in the Creedmoor matches
Tom, I'm surprised to see that those rifles were shipped to India??  I don't think they would have made a very good hunting rifle for tigers.  What do you suppose they were used for there?  Shocked
  
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Re: Henry Fraser two position British Rifles
Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2022 at 5:54am
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In the '70 there was an excellent documentary at the BBC over the development of the gun.
The two position Henry is mention in the episode "accurate at a mile"  ( approximately at 7 minutes 10)

Open youtube and copy this ( MdanUJWpnW0 ) in the search box
it takes you to episode 7 of the series.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2022 at 9:56am
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I was not aware of the Tube vid. I will check it out. One can just imagine the consternation of the very, very Brits when they saw the "outer space" design on this rifle. Therefore they shipped them out to the colonies. A lot of Gibbs Farquharsons also made the journey. One cartridge version which is hammerless is in a museum in South Africa. A little known fact is that there was a very active long range shooting group in most of the far reaches of the Empire including Hong Kong, Canada, Australia etc. Winfer's Vol 1 Alex Henry has quite a bit on the rifle. There was a very interesting sight also designed for this rifle where the elevation was done with the front sight with minor adjustments from the back. I will scan a photo of an image of the rifle being used.
  
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Re: Henry Fraser two position British Rifles
Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2022 at 1:45pm
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Re: Henry Fraser two position British Rifles
Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2022 at 1:52pm
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That is a great video.  Lots of good visual pointers for supine shooting.

I'd love to shoot one of the two position rifles. It actually looks comfortable and quite firm and your head is supported by the cheekrest and stock comb, unlike true supine where you have to hold your head up with your left hand.

I especially liked their advice to one who begins a match with a bad shot: "Above all else, he commended an even temper. Should you make a bad shot at the commencement of a match you should never lose heart. You should rather remember that finishing well after starting badly is a very satisfactory way of winning the prize"

I also enjoyed the part where the "proper Brittish" narrator is talking about the development of the .303 cartridge while the camera is focussed on the action of a Swiss K-31. 

And if you want to watch the entire 8 part series, the first episode is at (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

 
  
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Re: Henry Fraser two position British Rifles
Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2022 at 3:50pm
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If you want to shoot in the back position one might read the last issue of Single Shot Exchange and note the photos I took of Chris Christensen shooting back position at Oak Ridge. Maybe start with a reduced load. I tried it with my Sharps Borchardt Creedmoor and it got one's attention!
  
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Re: Henry Fraser two position British Rifles
Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2022 at 8:12pm
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Here are some pictures of young Master Aaron posing with one of Tom's rifles at Etna Green
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2022 at 11:37pm
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Is that the guy they call "2-toe" Aaron?
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 9th, 2022 at 10:10am
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Maybe we should put a blinder pin on his big toe?
  
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Re: Henry Fraser two position British Rifles
Reply #13 - Feb 9th, 2022 at 11:21pm
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Very interesting rifles. It looks like it would be a solid hold with that stock design.
Thanks for posting
Cheers Richard
  
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