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Jan 26th, 2022 at 11:27am
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After four decades of not competing in anything, I am going to try to compete this year in BPCR Silhouette. Naturally, I have a few questions and no one I know of can answer them, so I will ask the members here:

In a match;

1. How many of you use a blow tube? How often?
2. Do you run a patch through your rifle? How often?
3. Does anyone use a bore snake? How often?

It is snowing here and I am not going to go to the range in this weather, so I was wondering how a match progresses.

Any and all information is appreciated.

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Reply #1 - Jan 26th, 2022 at 11:35am
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Yes at least three blows after every shot.
I never run a patch through the rifle until after the relay when I clean it before the next relay.
Never use a bore snake - they would get too dirty with black powder fouling and most likely work poorly with time.
Use a good cleaning rod - with proper sized jag - and proper sized cleaning patches using moose milk first followed by a good lead solvent. To clean between relays.

I have had partners that ran patches between shots.
Unfortunately they missed wind switches or ran out of time because they were spending too much time cleaning during the relay.

However people with heavy powder loads  shooting in the hot New Mexico competitions may need to run patches.
It does not get as hot up here in Canada.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 26th, 2022 at 11:41am
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Thanks, Dave. That helps a lot.
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 26th, 2022 at 12:49pm
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Using a blow tube can be a hit or miss thing. Depending a lot on the ambient temperature and humidity.
A good wiping routine guarantees a consistent bore condition. That's why so many are going to the BWS Buffalo Arms sells, and various homemade variants.
If you follow the answer to the question Brian Haffey gave you on the question you posted on Facebook, you'll be hard pressed to find a better answer.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 26th, 2022 at 1:24pm
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In our arid conditions I started with a blow tube but it took 5 to 7 healthy blows to work. I switched to one barely damp (NAPA water soluable cutting oil and water) patch on a nylon brush followed by a quick jab with a chamber mop to dry the chamber. I can do that faster than some guys using a blow tube. You just have to get the routine down.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 26th, 2022 at 1:46pm
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learn to wipe . easiest way is 10 distilled water 1 bastion  use a jag on a delrin rod an d a damp snug fitting patch push thru and let it fall off   quicker than a blow tube and more consistent.  real hot wetter   patch   art
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 26th, 2022 at 2:47pm
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Yes. Even here in the east where we 'usually' don't suffer from low humidity, the big majority of shooters are wiping with a wet patch (~7-1 water/water soluble cutting oil - get it at NAPA auto parts). 

Some use the fancier BACo pig system (not recommended for a newbie - too complex to start with), some use a jag and some (like me) use a nylon brush to run the single wet patch thru after each shot. I like almost dripping wet while others prefer less wet. 

Once you get used to running a patch and establishing a routine you follow you will have no problem with time. The first few times you will feel rushed, but that is also true with a blow-tube. Most of us are using plastic rods so little wear & tear on the bore/muzzle. 

Like everything else in shooting BP, you will eventually find the combination of patches, fluid, brush, etc. that works best for you. Talk to the winners and see what they are doing. It may not work exactly that way for you, but you'll soon find out.

Even running a patch, most everyone cleans the bore thoroughly between animals. I run a wet patch thru the bore just prior to the first shot on each relay to to insure I have a consistent surface for each shot.

Glad you are 'joining the fun'. Is a great time with good people. Don't hesitate to shoot the national BPCR match at the end of July at Raton. Five days of fun. And don't worry about it being a national match. You will compete within your class just like at any other BPCR match.
Hope to see you there.
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Reply #7 - Jan 28th, 2022 at 2:51am
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May I suggest Bore Pigs as an option.

Imagine a cleaning brush with a felt wad behind it and a small nut threaded on the back to keep everything in place.  Most shooters that use them keep them in a jar with soapy water or Moose Milk.
MM is a mix of water soluble machine oil and water about 6:1 ratio of water to the machine oil.  Use a fired case in your caliber with the rear drilled out large enough to fit a Pig in from the rear, chamber the case, slip the Pig in the case (keep your chamber dry) and push it down the barrel and let it fall out into an empty butter tub.  Trust me, you want to catch them before they hit the ground.

Rick Morrill, who advertises in the Black Powder Cartridge News magazine offers a set of 15 for about $70 shipped.  You can reach him at 940-271-1222.  Replaces blow tubes for those who are NOT the Big Bad Wolf.  All that huffing and puffing can make it very hard to hold a silhouette rifle steady while on the clock.  I usually ran out of air about the 3rd huff-n-puff most of the time.

One mans' solution to the problem...

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Reply #8 - Jan 28th, 2022 at 7:00am
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2nd advice above, fowling varies according to humidity. wipe the only way to be sure of consistent bore condition.

When I shot BP settled on flexible Delrin rod system. One wet patch wrapped around a loose = smaller than bore size, brush, followed with a dry patch.

Delrin bends around the tang sight. Patch wrapped brush gives good bore contact while sliding easy. Used to use half water half antifreeze, if shooting BP again would look for another solvent.

Get the routine down it goes quickly. Forked rest for the rod two patch cans one pre moistened other dry. Everything easy reach without coming out of position.

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Reply #9 - Jan 28th, 2022 at 7:04am
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2nd advice above, fowling varies according to humidity. wipe the only way to be sure of consistent bore condition.

When I shot BP settled on flexible Delrin rod system. One wet patch wrapped around a loose = smaller than bore size, brush, followed with a dry patch.

Delrin bends around the tang sight. Patch wrapped brush gives good bore contact while sliding easy. Used to use half water half antifreeze, if shooting BP again would look for another solvent.

Get the routine down it goes quickly. Forked rest for the rod two patch cans one pre moistened other dry. Everything easy reach without coming out of position.

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Reply #10 - Feb 3rd, 2022 at 8:27pm
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does anybody use vinegar in the water to clean the bores?
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 3rd, 2022 at 8:27pm
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does anyone use vinegar water to clean the cases?
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 8th, 2022 at 1:59pm
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If memory serves BrianC uses vinegar & water to do an initial clean at the range. He does not let the cases sit in the mix long and does shake thoroughly before pouring out and putting the cases in straight water (with a bit of soap?) for the ride home. If I remember, I'll ask at next month's match.
  

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Reply #13 - Feb 8th, 2022 at 10:46pm
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I believe that whatever you add to the wiping solution just makes the wiping LESS effective.  Plain water works the best at dissolving BP fowling.

Keep on hav'n fun!
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Reply #14 - Feb 9th, 2022 at 6:22am
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MikeT wrote on Feb 8th, 2022 at 10:46pm:
I believe that whatever you add to the wiping solution just makes the wiping LESS effective.  Plain water works the best at dissolving BP fowling.
Keep on hav'n fun!
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I believe that the winners usually have the right (or, at least the best) formula and all that I know use some sort of additive in their wetting fluid when wiping (water soluble cutting oil, Ballistol, etc.). This is true whether using patches with GG bullets or bore-pigs with PP.
  

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