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IOwnDoubles Full Member Offline Posts: 120 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2013	Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Jan 10^th, 2022 at 7:16pm	Print Post
	I have the opportunity to purchase a Low wall in 25-20 SS. It is in good condition on the outside, although I haven't yet checked the bore. I see that 25-20 SS brass is almost non-existent. Other than having it turned on a lathe for about $5 per case, are there any other sources. Would I burn in hell if I converted it to another appropriate caliber so I could shoot it? If so, what would be recommended. I love plinking/ small game calibers. There is nothing "special about the gun other than its age and I won't own a gun I can't shoot. If it is wrong to convert it, I'll just pass and let someone else buy it and put it in a closet. Jerry


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1824 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #1 - Jan 10^th, 2022 at 7:40pm	Print Post
	IF it had a set trigger, I would consider if not too expensive, just to have the set trigger low wall action to do a build I have in mind. Otherwise, I have been there, done that. bought a low wall, standard trigger 25-20SS at a show. Fortunately complete with die set and a bunch of brass and even a box of Meister 85 gr bullets. Unfortunately the bore was not that good. Puttered with it a bit. No more interest. So, sold it and the dies and components. Did OK without skinning anyone. I would not now buy a 25-20SS original rifle unless it had a near perfect bore as well as dies and GOOD brass. beltfed/arnie


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4164 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #2 - Jan 10^th, 2022 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	Original brass/ammo is out there but getting more scarce all the time, and a set of dies would also be a pretty major investment. OTOH, the caliber is way cool and if you do get one with a good bore it will be fun to shoot…and can be quite accurate. If the bore is questionable or worse, relining is the best option if you want to keep the same barrel. There are barrels out there (relatively) available if you would prefer to change calibers. If you want to use a new barrel. The 32 H&R might be a good place to start, and surprisingly it uses the same extractor as your 25-20 SS. Froggie


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Lead Pot Full Member Offline Posts: 154 Joined: Nov 12^th, 2012	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #3 - Jan 10^th, 2022 at 8:13pm	Print Post
	I was looking for .30-40 Krag brass at Huntington and I saw they had .25-20. You can make .25-20 out of .32-20. I did that for my .25-20 square bolt Marlin when I had it.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4465 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #4 - Jan 10^th, 2022 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	That's 25-20 WCF not 25-20 SS.


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50target Full Member Offline Posts: 145 Location: Alabama Joined: May 27^th, 2014	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #5 - Jan 10^th, 2022 at 8:45pm	Print Post
	Lead Pot wrote on Jan 10^th, 2022 at 8:13pm: I was looking for .30-40 Krag brass at Huntington and I saw they had .25-20. You can make .25-20 out of .32-20. I did that for my .25-20 square bolt Marlin when I had it. I believe the OP is speaking of a different 25-20 SS and you're speaking of 25-20 WCF. both 25 cal. Different cases.


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George Babits Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1151 Joined: Sep 27^th, 2012	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #6 - Jan 10^th, 2022 at 8:59pm	Print Post
	The 25-20 SS is indeed a really nice cartridge, but components are hard to find; well really just the brass. I had a 25-20SS LoWall for a while, but when I got a 32-20 Lo Wall I sold the 25-20. Well, if the price is right and the bore is crappy, I'd just have it rebored to 32-20. You can't go wrong with that cartridge if you are looking for something for plinking. George


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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1582 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #7 - Jan 10^th, 2022 at 9:20pm	Print Post
	I like the caliber a lot, but would advise you either to locate some shells first, or be patient. Huntington’s and Buffalo Arms sometimes have Bertram .25-20 SS brass. If the bore is bad, it can be relined to .25 caliber and chambered for the Winchester case. I see .25-20 WCF brass shows up for sale a little more often. But the SS is way cooler. It usually isn’t practical to rechamber a Winchester in the SS to WCF. It won’t entirely clean up the neck area. The barrel would need to be set back, and this is a major hassle with the flat-spring model.


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Lead Pot Full Member Offline Posts: 154 Joined: Nov 12^th, 2012	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #8 - Jan 10^th, 2022 at 9:44pm	Print Post
	Yes Sorry, I overlooked the single shot.


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AZshot Full Member Offline Posts: 217 Location: Desert Southwest Joined: Nov 29^th, 2016	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #9 - Jan 11^th, 2022 at 7:59am	Print Post
	I would leave it in the original .25-20 Stevens. Both rounds are now obsolete, and in the current era, probably both will be difficult to find brass. Just scrounge around and find some, you can do it. All you need is about 20 rounds, you can just reload them over and over. And you keep the rifle original, after generations of people modifying them, there aren't that many left. I bought this one about a year or two ago, in .25-20 SS. Got huntington dies at an estate sale within 2 months of looking, and about 100 rounds of brass from various places. Got some bullets and molds. The jacketed ones work better in a bore that is also not perfect. This is the first time shooting it. I've since had better groups. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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Boson Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Location: Shenandoah Valley Joined: Mar 10^th, 2018	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #10 - Jan 11^th, 2022 at 10:16am	Print Post
	I have a low wall that was originally in 25-20 ss but it had a slight bulge in the bbl when I got it. I had it relined with a TJ liner to the original 25-20 ss and purchased brass and dies and started shooting test loads to see what it liked. I shot 95 different test loads and found the rifle was only tolerable with jacked bullets ( and not especially good with those ) I prefer shooting cast which it didn't very well so sent it back to the gunsmith who relined the bbl. After checking the liner, found an imperfection approximately 4 " back of the muzzle. I told him to reline it to 44wcf which was an original caliber offered in the low wall. The writing on the bbl was good so advised him to stamp 44 over the 25 and I am shooting it monthly in Ram Bash matches at 200 meters. With an MVA soule sight and globe front it shoots very well with black powder loads. Couldn't use a .25 caliber in the Ram Bashes so should have made it 44 wcf in the start. I sold all of the 25-20 ss brass, molds and dies after having it relined to 44 wcf. Bob


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IOwnDoubles Full Member Offline Posts: 120 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2013	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #11 - Jan 11^th, 2022 at 4:44pm	Print Post
	There are actually two guns. The one with these set trigger is 25-20 SS. In a bit nicer condition no rust on the case that is left. Has a #1 barrel, peep sight, and a set trigger. I was just told the bore is like new. Price is $1050 This gun balances better the the other (off-hand) The 25-20 WCF has a #2 barrel, a freckling on the case, no peep site. Nicer grain the wood. Barrel has some frosting, friend rated it 8.5 out of 10. Price $975 I am leaning toward the first as I can't see open sights very well. If I can't get brass I can alway send it to JES to be rebored. But what am I going to do with all the 25-20 brass (and factory ammo) I have... anyone want to trade for 25-20 SS? What do you guys think? Jerry


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art_ruggiero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1221 Location: CT Joined: Dec 14^th, 2008	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #12 - Jan 11^th, 2022 at 4:55pm	Print Post
	get the nice one work on finding brass it will show up art


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2942 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #13 - Jan 11^th, 2022 at 6:10pm	Print Post
	At those prices I would get them both.

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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IOwnDoubles Full Member Offline Posts: 120 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2013	Re: Winchester Low Wall in 25-20 SS Reply #14 - Jan 13^th, 2022 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	So I bought the gun. I found some loaded ammo, not sure how that will turn out based on age.. I found 120 brass in Australia and spent a fortune getting them (hopefully) So can I load them using my 25-20 wcF Lee collet dies? Neck size only? Any load suggestions. I have a lot of .25 cal jacketed bullets for my stolen 25-20 wcf, but I read conflicting info..some say they shoot better some say the are hard on the rifling. Advice please from you guys is appreciated Merry


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