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Reply #90 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 5:37pm
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That is a re-run John, as Dellet already posted it.
  

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Reply #91 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 5:54pm
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Yes I do know that he posted the link! 
I was just trying to let the gentleman who had asked his question know.
That if he continued to scroll down far enough his original question could then be answered if doing so.
What was also interesting and probably just to myself. Is the somewhat of a controversy of CW Roland's Group size when he or they were actually trying to measure it.
I really had no reason to post the link as I was just simply more interested with his Dad's connection and relationship with Ray Day. 
Unfortunately he did not provide a means to contact him directly that I could find. 


  

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Reply #92 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 6:36pm
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Any controversy about the much-handled Rowland group would be about how much bigger it had become from folks sticking plugs, fingers. and whatnot into the holes. There isn't any way it could go here but to a bigger group. So, did the later guys really beat him, or just beat his stretched out group? I sure don't have the answer.
  
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Reply #93 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 6:54pm
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Who actually knows CF? 
I would assume he had a personal goal to try and reach and that he probably never expected all of the ongoing controversy over what might have actually taken place.
It was pretty much just a one or possibly a two day thing and it does not even compare to John D Kelly's competitive Benchrest shooting accomplishments. Pope himself declared John D Kelly to be the Dean of Benchrest shooting. And if memory serves me right he was also shooting what they now call the 38-72 Kelly Pope Ballard rifle. I believe this was back around the same time period but I could also be wrong on the actual time period itself.
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Reply #94 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 6:56pm
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Who's Ray Day? How does he fit in here?
  
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Reply #95 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 7:09pm
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Ray Day once had an extensive collection of single shot rifles. Some of those that he owned had a very collectible back ground. Either Pope, Schoyen, Zishang, Peterson's or once owned by very renowned shooter's of the time. I could be wrong absolutely wrong but I do believe he once owned CW Rolands rifle that has been in this discussion. 
If am wrong I would hope that somebody here who actually knows would then take the time to correct me on Roland's rifle.
  

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Reply #96 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 7:30pm
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That is correct. He owned the "record" rifle, and quite a few more of Rowland's rifles.
  

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Reply #97 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 7:59pm
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Rkba2nd thank you so very much my memory is just not what it used to be.
And I also do not want to share any false information. 
Ray Day was actually a very good friend of my friend Barry Darr and that it is who I actually got my own information from.
And about what Ray Day once had in his own personal collection that he was fortunate to have look at on more than one occasion while visiting him.   
  

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Reply #98 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 8:20pm
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Barry and Ray;
  
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Reply #99 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 8:53pm
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Thanks guys. Didn't know any of that.
  
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Reply #100 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 9:39pm
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AcGould on the left of which many of you know by his real name and Barry Darr on the right.
Most folks don't know Barry did one tour in Vietnam in the brown water Navy on the river boats. He made a friend on his boat and they were going to go into business together when they got out. 
His friend talked him into going back and doing another tour and his friend ended up dying in arms. 
I know some folks here don't care to here about him as being my friend.
But they should try to respect him for the time that he served. 

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Reply #101 - Dec 5th, 2021 at 12:18am
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Ray day was here for the first Coors match in 1982. I have many photographs of him shooting, Barry Darr, and a host of others also. I need to get some 3 year old here to show me how to post photographs etc. as it is getting close to the time this old dog may not be able to learn new tricks!!!
  

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Reply #102 - Dec 5th, 2021 at 12:22am
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Should have added, that I may not want to learn some new tricks.
  

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