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1874 Sharps vs. 1885 High Wall
Nov 19th, 2021 at 2:37pm
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I’m sure this has probably been addressed until people are tired of reading it. I apologize for my repetition. I’m looking at two different rifles. An 1874 Sharps and an 1885 High Wall. Both replicas in .45-70. I’m not going to be competing. Where I live in East Texas I’ll have to look for a 500 yard shot. Most of mine would be 350 +/-. I just want one of these type rifles for my own enjoyment. I realize people have their own preferences and swear by one or the other. I’m just wondering if there is any great advantage in one over the other. I have read, looked at videos and asked questions trying to do my homework so to speak. Any recommendations or things to consider that I may have missed will be appreciated.
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 3:11pm
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It all depends - - - mostly on what you like and maybe what you want to use it for.   The HiWall might be a bit stronger, but that wouldn't really matter since you said 45-70.   If it was me, I would buy one of each and experiment for a couple of years to see which suits your intended use best.   I like both but have 9 Sharps rifles in 40 to 54 calibers and only one HiWall, a 32-40.

I will say that for hunting in brush, the HiWall, with its centrally hung hammer might have a slight safety advantage over the side hammer Sharps.   But the Remington rolling block also has a centrally hung hammer and is as good as either the Sharps or HiWall.   Having said that, all my serious hunting has been done with my 45-70 Sharps and that has been mostly in the forest.

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Reply #2 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 3:59pm
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So you have it narrowed down to those two, good luck picking the better. That said, the real difference is the type of sighting apparatus’s one can use. For hunting purposes the Ruger #1 will is a better choice, jmho.
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 4:13pm
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Who are the manufacturers of the replicas?   That would be the deciding factor for me.

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Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 4:28pm
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gunlaker wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 4:13pm:
Who are the manufacturers of the replicas?   That would be the deciding factor for me.

Chris.

The High Wall is Uberti & the Sharps is Pedersoli.
  
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Premod70 wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 3:59pm:
So you have it narrowed down to those two, good luck picking the better. That said, the real difference is the type of sighting apparatus’s one can use. For hunting purposes the Ruger #1 will is a better choice, jmho.

I have actually looked at a Ruger #1 and a friend has a #3 that he wants to sell.

  
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Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 4:34pm
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George Babits wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 3:11pm:
It all depends - - - mostly on what you like and maybe what you want to use it for.   The HiWall might be a bit stronger, but that wouldn't really matter since you said 45-70.   If it was me, I would buy one of each and experiment for a couple of years to see which suits your intended use best.   I like both but have 9 Sharps rifles in 40 to 54 calibers and only one HiWall, a 32-40.

I will say that for hunting in brush, the HiWall, with its centrally hung hammer might have a slight safety advantage over the side hammer Sharps.   But the Remington rolling block also has a centrally hung hammer and is as good as either the Sharps or HiWall.   Having said that, all my serious hunting has been done with my 45-70 Sharps and that has been mostly in the forest.

George

I'm glad you mentioned the Rolling Block. I was talking to a guy who was interested in doing some trading with me. He has a Pedersoli Rolling Block with good sights already on it. I had investigated those as well.
  
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Re: 1874 Sharps vs. 1885 High Wall
Reply #7 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 4:38pm
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StanR5686 wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 4:29pm:
Premod70 wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 3:59pm:
So you have it narrowed down to those two, good luck picking the better. That said, the real difference is the type of sighting apparatus’s one can use. For hunting purposes the Ruger #1 will is a better choice, jmho.

I have actually looked at a Ruger #1 and a friend has a #3 that he wants to sell.


Be sure to shoot the two versions before investing in one. Most folks will pick the #1, the #3 is a recoiling beast in 45-70.
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 4:53pm
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The 85 will have a bit faster lock time. The best bet is to pick the one that fits you best, ie feels best when you shoulder the rifle.
I have several of each and honestly couldn't tell you one is any better than the other.
Have a good bit of experience with the #1 and the 3, I consider both to be something of a waste in the 45-70, better suited for centerfire smokeless cartridges that can take full advantage of modern scopes and really reach out and touch something.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 4:58pm
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While I am not familiar with the Uberti High wall I do have a browning, a rolling block and a sharps. The rolling block is italina in origin, the sharps is a Shiloh and the browning is custom. The highwall probably has the fastest lock time. the roller the slowest, the Sharps in the middle. But truthfully all 3 are faster than you might think. The drawbacks on the Browning and the roller is they just extract. The roller if you run it smartly will or come close to ejecting the fired case. The sharps will easily eject a fired case even with a tang sight in place. As to the accuracy that all depends on the barrel and not so much the action. All can and will shoot well, as well as all can have a bad tube on them. Am not sure if any of the 3 Italian rifles come in what you would call a hunting configuration. The target models are heavy if you are going to be doing much walking. Of my 3 the roller is the lightest at 10 1/2 pounds, the other 2 are up in the 12 pound range. I think Shiloh makes a saddle rifle that would be easier to carry around, maybe take a look and see what Bill Goodman has on hand or has coming in. 
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Reply #10 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 5:06pm
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I have always preferred originals in the HiWall, Remington, and Sharps.   Because of that,  all the replicas, except for the Shiloh, have stocks that just don't feel right for me.   I think because they are longer.  Same with the Ruger #1.   I have had several of them over the years.  When I got the first ones back in the late 1960s they fit pretty well, but now they don't.  Maybe I'm shrinking!    I ended up taking 3/4 of an inch or so off the 30-06 that i got in 2000.  They are good rifles, but too modern for me. 

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Re: 1874 Sharps vs. 1885 High Wall
Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 6:01pm
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I prefer the 1885's center hung hammer for it's faster lock time, and the 1885's firing pin for more consistent strikes, and less chance of breaking a firing pin.
I have no experience with Uberti rifles, but Pedersolis are very accurate. I'd probably be more inclined to go with either the 1885, or the Pedersoli Rolling Block myself.
  

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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 7:46pm
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Everyone has their own favorite and for hunting I like the Rolling Block best.  I have two built from #5 actions that will throw the fired case clear.  The third was a #1 replica with a Green Mountain barrel chambered in 38-56.  I had to be really careful that the extractor was behind the case when loading.  Single shot Sam fixed that by installing a limit screw on the extractor.  The Sharps requires you to set the hammer at half cock before opening after firing or you might break the firing pin. The modern ones will handle a stout load. The HW is just a strong, well designed rifle and will handle loads with jacketed bullets if so desired.  The Rugers are nice rifles as well but not period.  That being said, my favorite hunting rifle for 15 years was a Browning B78 in 25-06.  Browning design is different internally to the original HW but are accurate and lighter.  They also made them in 45-70.  Nowadays my go to rifle is a rebuilt Borchardt in 30-40 Krag Imp also built by Singleshot Sam.  It has an automatic safety that I like for hunting.  Bottom line, look them all over in person if you can and grab the one you like.  Tom
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 9:35pm
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I quit keeping track of my 45-70 reloads about 20 years ago, (or more) when I hit 10,000. Most were fired from a Sharps and the rest with a trapdoor. In 2007 I bought a Highwall and have done very little shooting with the Sharps since then. I still like it and its a great shooter, but I had to replace several extractors and firing pins. If you read the reports from the 1800s, the two main complaints were firing pins and extractors. Another factor to consider is whether or not your Sharps has a gas block at the rear of the breechblock. If not, retro-fitting one is a MUST! I learned that lesson the hard way- a pierced primer and lots of hot gas and tiny particles of brass and powder in my face. 
I have done most of my shooting lately with the Hi Wall (Uberti) and never had a problem. Its a simpler and much better design, especially the firing pin. 
If you like the lore of the buffalo rifle and want a Sharps, by all means go for it, its a great rifle.  Shot several deer with mine and won lots of Schuetzenfest medals with it. If you really want the BEST rifle, its the High wall. 
Another option which many people unfortunately overlook is an original trapdoor. Very accurate, easy to sporterize, lots of interchangeable parts, ( I  have NEVER  had to replace a part). I would not butcher a nice rifle but there are lots of cut down rifles that can be dressed up.  The only disadvantage is you really can't put a scope on it. But a quality tang sight is an option. 
My Sharps was made by Palmetto, very satisfied with it. The High wall is a Uberti, won a lot of medals with it (way better Schuetzen target rifle than the sharps) .
The trapdoors are all originals, would not mess with a replica, no need to, good  original shooters  are plentiful, reasonably priced and great quality. I dont think the parts on replica Trapdoors interchange with originals. 

I hope this helps!
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Reply #14 - Nov 19th, 2021 at 11:20pm
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Owning a Browning 1885 in .45-70, a custom Rolling Block in .45-70 and a Sharps Quigley in .45-70, I hunt with the Browning as the first choice and the Rolling Block as a second choice. 

The Browning shoulders quicker, sights are better and the rifle is lighter, but recoil does not matter when hunting. The Rolling Block is the same since it is a custom stock fitted to me and two pounds heavier. The Sharps is 12 pounds, 14 ounces and a black powder cartridge target rifle, not for hunting. 

Pick the one that feels best when shouldered.
  

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