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1885 hammer repair
Nov 7th, 2021 at 4:03pm
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I have a low wall with the safety notch missing. It's been filed completely away. My guess is the outer part of the notch was broken off and wouldn't hold the sear so it was removed. This way whoever bought this rifle would have no safety apposed to a flat spot that felt like a safety yet not work. My plan is to weld up a lump and file in the notch. We have a product at work called "cool tool" which when applied keeps the heat transfer to a minimum. Is this a sound idea or can anyone give me a better game plan? Thanks, Neil
  
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Re: 1885 hammer repair
Reply #1 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 11:19pm
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Neil,
Does this action have a set trigger? Often times if a set trigger was installed and the hammer didn't have a fly or slot for a fly, an easy fix was to file off the half-cock notch - if it was used for shooting matches, it wasn't a big deal - breech open or ready to fire.
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Re: 1885 hammer repair
Reply #2 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 6:21am
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Standard trigger, no fly.
  
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Re: 1885 hammer repair
Reply #3 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:45am
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I haven’t done such a repair (yet; I have a Stevens 44-1/2 hammer that I’m working up the nerve to redo). But it seems to me that most of the heat you will be applying in order to rebuild the half-cock notch will also flow to the full-cock notch, and you may even wind up getting metal in there that you will have to file off and recut that one too.

Heat-stop paste would certainly stop the flow of heat to the front, top and toe of the hammer, but you are going to wind up needing to case-harden the new notch(es) you cut, which typically means another round of heating the same area for a longer time than the most precise welding, to get the carbon into the metal for hardening the notches.  This might be too much for the heat-stop paste to handle.

If you have color hardening you want to preserve, I guess it’s worth a try, but given the fact that you will have to harden the notches anyway, I would think that annealing the whole part and rehardening it all at once afterwards would be the easiest way to go.  You could even get it pack-hardened in colors by one of the heat-treating outfits like the one singleshotsam uses.
  
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Re: 1885 hammer repair
Reply #4 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:46am
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I have welded up several with a tig torch using 4130 filler rod. The only part that needs to be hard is the full cock notch and possibly the face where it strikes the firing pin.
  

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Re: 1885 hammer repair
Reply #5 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 10:14am
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Alternative solution: get a new one from MVA. $90, what's your time and risk of ending up with a bodgered up hammer worth to you?
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 5:37pm
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gnoahhh I'm saving that alterative for when I've spent way to much time and effort on this hammer and it still won't work. Smiley
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 5:43pm
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If this works here's a pic of before.
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 5:53pm
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And after welding before filing.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 6:01pm
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I took a copper sheet and placed the edge where I wanted the bottom of the notch to be and basically splashed the weld over the copper and towards the bottom of the hammer. The copper should have helped with the heat and weld won't stick to it. My ready made safety notch waiting for some serious filing. I had painters tape protecting the full cock sear covered in cool tool and the tape wasn't even scorched.
  
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Re: 1885 hammer repair
Reply #10 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 6:50pm
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To my eye that looks pretty good!

Here's a hammer from a low wall of mine for reference.  This hammer did pull out of half cock if you pulled hard on the trigger so had to be reshaped.  This photo is before the reshaping.


  

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Re: 1885 hammer repair
Reply #11 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:26pm
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It's a win! I only had to put it in and take it out twice. After the bulk was removed with my dreaded Dremel tool (dremel must be an abbreviation for something that messes up otherwise good parts fast) I filed out the rest. My first try (in the pic) had the notch to angled and the sear would slip. I squared the notch and it works now. I still need to polish it a bit and I'll watch for wear. If it wears I'll harden it with kasenit.
  
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Re: 1885 hammer repair
Reply #12 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:29pm
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Nicely done!
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:35pm
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bobw, these rifles do seem to like having a very square notch. I just took off a little of the angle and it holds now. Wink
  
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Re: 1885 hammer repair
Reply #14 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 8:45pm
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Congratulations…..nice job!
  

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