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HiWall rebuild...?
Nov 6th, 2021 at 12:18am
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I have a very old HW, some minor pitting here and there.  It is a standard straight grip, single trigger hunting rifle in 38-55.  Decent trigger, and locks up tight.  2" 5-shot groups at 100 if I do my part with cast at 1500fps.

To the point: I want DST's.  MVA will sell me the internal parts, for a bit less than half the cost of one of their DST actions.  Am I better off, cost wise, to do that; or just buy one of the MVA complete actions and start from scratch?  To rebuild would pretty much mean gutting the action and starting over with internals.
To buy a new DST MVA; I'd go with a pistol grip action, and getting one built in the caliber I want for less than $5K would be difficult, and take about 18 months.

Thanks to all for their input.   

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Reply #1 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 2:00am
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You could buy a really nice original highwall for $5000. Perhaps not with DST, and the caliber you desire, but original nonetheless. It all depends on your needs or wants. I would recommend continuing your search, before you decide. Others here will offer good advice.
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:39am
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I realize you stated you want DST. However, have you considered a single set trigger? I have been told by people who know more than I do that you can convert a single trigger to a single set trigger on a high wall very easily. Might want to explore that option. 
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Reply #3 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 10:06am
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For $5k I'd pass on building one up! My gun show partner bought an absolutely gorgeous 1885 High Wall with deluxe 4x wood, half octagon .32-40 barrel, set triggers, pistol grip, and a full length Stevens scope mounted in the dovetails at Colorado last month for $3k. And that wasn't haggling the seller down, that was his asking price.
I think you can easily beat $5k and have an original in nice shape, vs. a new action and rifle built up.
  

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Reply #4 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 9:46pm
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We had our big gun show here this weekend.  I got varying opinions, probably the best one, since I want a 50-90; is to just buy the MVA DST, PG action I really want, and go from there.  I got two quotes from the internet and someone here to stock it for around $1800 +wood.  A well known single shot builder in my area is sending me a couple blanks to look at, and says he can have the rifle ready to shoot about six weeks from receipt of the barreled action.

I have gotten sound advice from members here over the years, this good as well.

Thank you all,

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Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 10:14pm
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Wanting a 50-90 is a game changer, put together what you want, and be happy as a clam!
  

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Reply #6 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 1:45am
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If it was me I would opt for the original high wall.
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Reply #7 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 9:36am
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I have had a number of original HighWalls with single set triggers that worked fabulously for me in Schuetzen competitions. 
You may wish to just convert to a single set trigger. 
However the original HigWalls also needed to be bushed for a Neidner firing pin (replace original black powder firing pin), needed a hanger to free float the barrel (requires coil spring), replace flat spring with coil spring to increase lock time (skeletonize hammer),  and had to have a stock through bolt to make a very competitive competition rifle.
But those improvements are not required if you are only using it for hunting.

C. Sharps or MVA 1885 actions make beautiful custom rifles where you can select whatever option you prefer from beautiful wood with checkering to high end barrels like the RKS in the chambering of your preference. 
All depends what you prefer in aesthetics and what you want in performance from your single shot rifle. 
But custom rifles (new parts or modified original) can cost from $2K or $3K to up to $20K with gold inlay and high end wood.
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Reply #8 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 2:48pm
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My 32-40 competition high wall does have a stock through-bolt and a single set trigger but sports a flat spring and standard hammer.  It sports standard stocks, not a wide forearm and flat bottom buttstock.  I rest it on the barrel just in front of the forearm which allows for a consistent placement on the front rest.  It has a Green Mountain 14 twist barrel with a 'scary' bore.  
It has proven to be very competitive and has won its share of matches.  Here are some typical 200 yd groups under calm conditions. 
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 3:36pm
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.32 RKS HighWall target shot with 205 grain Paul Jones Spitzer with 14:1 gain twist RKS barrel. 
I shot this rifle up to 2005 when I upgraded to the Miller DeHass with a 11.5: twist barrel.
  
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Bullet      Weight      Length      1:36      1:34      1:32      1:30      1:28      1:26      1:24      1:22      1:20
     Grains      Inches                                                      
BACO JIM512450       480      0.970      1.80      2.01      2.27      2.59      2.97      3.44      4.04      4.81      5.82
BACO JIM511500 FN      500      1.010      1.69      1.89      2.13      2.43      2.79      3.23      3.79      4.51      5.46
BACO JIM512515      540      1.100      1.46      1.63      1.84      2.10      2.41      2.79      3.28      3.90      4.72
BACO JIM511600 FN      600      1.220      1.22      1.37      1.55      1.76      2.02      2.34      2.75      3.27      3.96
BACO JIM511650 FN      650      1.300      1.11      1.25      1.41      1.61      1.84      2.14      2.51      2.99      3.61
BACO JIM511670M1 Money      670      1.515      0.75      0.84      0.95      1.08      1.24      1.44      1.69      2.02      2.44
BACO JIM511695C1  Creedmore      695      1.450      0.88      0.99      1.12      1.27      1.46      1.69      1.98      2.36      2.86

So what bullet length and what barrel twist for your 50 caliber rifle?
Gyroscopic stability factor has to be more than 1.4 and normally up to 2.0.
Long range shooters (1,000 yards) increase Sg up to 2.4 to compensate for drag.
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 9:39pm
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Thanks again to all.  I had not considered the 50-110, until reading this.

I got to think about the chambering a wee bit.  My brother has a Shiloh 50-90 he loves.  His load is a 650gr RN Brooks mould with a full case of 2Fg.

Made a deal, and got a set of CH4D 50-110 reloading dies, and a reamer.  Package deal, came with a Husqvarna SxS conversion to 50-110 DR.

Rich
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