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Oct 30th, 2021 at 12:26am
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I've been a little slow at posting some of my projects due to  conditions but then I've been moving a little slower than normal too, the motivation I normally have is slowly returning so here's sharing a little of what I have going on.   
I have a few Hepburns in the works and guess what, a couple are just the lowly 22rf... imagine that Rodney. Grin
Anyway, the builds are coming along and have plans to spend some intimate time with them this weekend.  Ron's making some barrels for them and we can't rush the barrel maker so I have time. Wink   The set triggers that are generally found on these actions don't do much for me, in fact they tend to bring a high level of frustration - so, I'm doing something about it.  I really like the simplicity and how well the close-coupled set triggers I've been building work in my striker Ballards, HW's, LW's and the Sharps, but the current design just doesn't fit in a Hepburn or a Roller.  My son and I are working on a remedy for that...  we call it a compact close couple.  Here's a sneak preview of the first set shortly after the CNC had it's way with a piece of 3/8 strap.  Still have to sort out the sear arrangement but most of it is penciled out and the idea is working.  I'll try and post more in a while.
  

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Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2021 at 12:40am
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Way far beyond my rock pounding mind, but it certainly does make my eyes cross! Cheesy

Really happy to see you posting again.

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I'm not a complete idiot, some of my parts are missing.
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Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2021 at 10:41am
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Glad to see another update on your projects Greg! I've missed them for sure! 
Nice machine work. I've always been intrigued by the CC DST sets!
  

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Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2021 at 12:33pm
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Appreciate you showing us what your up to Greg.  Always interesting.
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Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2021 at 9:21pm
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Hey Greg,
     I hear you won't be making it to the upcoming Tulsa show.  That is a real bummer.  I will miss seeing your recent projects that you are working on.  We'll just have to hear it second hand from Rodney.   
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Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2021 at 10:17pm
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Good project. Anything to improve Hepburn set triggers would be a blessing.
Hepburn set triggers will work but certainly not among the best.
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Reply #6 - Oct 31st, 2021 at 12:20am
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Sounds like a noob question. But how do you separate the parts from the material you milled them from?. Frank
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 31st, 2021 at 12:47am
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Thanks all for the comments.

Bruce,
There were some in the family that didn't check schedules with me and decided to have a wedding on that weekend so my plans all got trumped.  Still thinking I'll do the Sioux Falls show and then spring Tulsa so leave some for me Smiley
Chuck, 
I still have some work to do but I had a few moments with things today, I think these will fit and work.
Frank, 
The piece of material left is about .040" thick, I'll set this on the surface grinder and make the top side flat and with that the magnet will hold it down fairly well. If it doesn't I have a small vise that fits the magnet and it will secure it enough to grind it off.  I've done quite a few different pieces this way and only occasionally have one get away from me. Wink

  

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Reply #8 - Nov 2nd, 2021 at 12:46pm
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Looking forward to seeing this one come together Greg!
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Reply #9 - Nov 4th, 2021 at 10:11pm
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Had SOME time last weekend and worked on these but the week got away from me.  Here's a little update.  I tried grinding the flange off these and the magnet didn't quite have enough or the cross section wasn't big enough, bounced one around the shop.  Used a small vise in the mill and managed cleaning things up with no more events...cut the notch first then one can see engagement in my fixture, it works fine.
   
Now the issue is what does the sear have to look like? appears to be a problem so revision #3 is in the works.  Hopefully tomorrow evening there will be some time to run a program with the changes.  We shortened up the space between the pin holes, rotated the lock between the triggers to 45° and put the pin holes, spring lug and the knock-off on the same plane.  New overall length is around an inch and height above the pin centers is around 1/4" so maybe...
  

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Reply #10 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 12:22am
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GT, thanks for taking the time to answer my question. Frank
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:56am
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Greg,

You are very lucky to find the part that went flying.  I've lost a few just dropping them and you have a much bigger shop!

Hope you keep up the thread, very good and instructive, when I finish my latest engine may start on the Hepburn castings.

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Reply #12 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:49am
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Greg, Looks like it might work. Tough design problem. Those small parts drive you nuts. 
Issue I had was the cocked mainspring hitting the sear or triggers.
Solved it on the Walker by using a stirrup mainspring and Ballard type set triggers.
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Reply #13 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 12:21pm
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Greg, doing this type of design and work really make you appreciate what they did 150 years ago.  I’m interested in seeing  the working trigger assembly when you get it all sorted out.   

My grinder still scares the ____ out of me!
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Reply #14 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:08pm
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Bob,
I feel like we are almost cheating the system, my son is getting better with every project we work on.  I come up with the idea, draw it on paper, he draws it in Fusion, uses the modeling feature so we can see the fit and function in motion.  That's the part that saves time.  Before, I had to do things like machine a model, try it, make another, try it, a little bit like the ODG's of yesteryear - without the luxury of tooling we have now.   

I have a healthy respect for surface and tool & cutter grinders.  Early on, I had a wheel or two come undone, I've pitched parts across the room because I forgot to turn the magnet on, had fixtures not hold like I had planned- these little machines & parts I run now aren't near as nerve racking.  It's a process that one gets better by experience, but that experience is generally a result of a failure somewhere...

When and if I get this working, I will share the drawings.  I'm in no way interested in making these to sell so you are on your own there. 
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