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1871 Mauser, Single Shot, .33 Winchester,
Oct 24th, 2021 at 3:26pm
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Some really interesting & quite useful cartridges become moribund in
their infancy. I'm thinking that the .33 Winchester was a victim to faster cartridges, better marketed rifles, and the buying trends of hunters way back begining of the century past.
No one squawks and squeals that the venerable grandfather the .45-70 Govt. , is a non relevant has bin relic. Well, cold day In Fiji before you find any .33 Win. ammo or cases on the shelf. 
Just so happens, I was cleaning and found two complete 1871 actions, and I even made a trigger gaurd mold, and cast some spiffy
Trigger gaurds. It's a single shot, and it's a piece of history. 
I even have an Ideal 1930s mold. 200 grain flat point.  
Not exactly metallic rear aperture friendly, but I am sure some clever
fellow will come up with a way to dress up a long barrel.
And since New York State (gorgeous land), has turned most of the state into rifle hunting, go figure how that happened, I'm going do this project. Any thoughts, suggestions & commentaries. 200 grains of lead at 2000 fps goes a long way.
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Re: 1871 Mauser, Single Shot, .33 Winchester,
Reply #1 - Oct 24th, 2021 at 6:43pm
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That was an 86 Winchester round, wasn't it? Not sure that all loads that would be safe in an 86 would be safe in a 71. Can someone run the Quickload specs for you?
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 24th, 2021 at 6:56pm
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All of my handloads for the 1871 Mauser prior have been safe and well below pressure limits established for the 1871.
I used brand new 45-70 Cases reformed to .33 Win. 
200 grain lead cast, (soft).   
It's a slowster, accurate & mild recoiling.
150 yard if you are a good marksman.
Typically where I hunt, I shoot deer 50-75 yards. 
33 Win is a 120 year go back in time round.
Suits me just fine.
  

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Re: 1871 Mauser, Single Shot, .33 Winchester,
Reply #3 - Oct 25th, 2021 at 1:19am
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I do believe a BP loaded 33 Win would be safe in an 1871 Mauser actioned rifle. The bolt face will probably have to be altered to suit the Winchester's flat face rim.

I use 75grs of FFg black and a 390gr bullet in the 11.15x60R/43 Mauser which pretty much duplicates the original load.

If you plan on using smokeless, a Quickload check would be wise.
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Reply #4 - Oct 25th, 2021 at 9:59am
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It really would be a lot more fun if we could shoot them, and have 
someone clean them for us. 
For 150 year old guns, black powder is the safer way to use them.
Some enterprising youth would make some money cleaning BP guns
For old guys.
2 hours of shooting and two days of cleaning.
Gee, how can so much fun turn into so much work?
  

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Re: 1871 Mauser, Single Shot, .33 Winchester,
Reply #5 - Oct 25th, 2021 at 12:39pm
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Cleaning after a BP match is no problem. I put a couple of my damp patches that I use between shots through the barrel to get rid of most of the fouling left and then use 3 patches with Butch's Black Powder Bore Shine. When I get home I run two patches of Hoppes down and that is it until next month's match. I use smokeless in my 71 Mausers.
  
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Re: 1871 Mauser, Single Shot, .33 Winchester,
Reply #6 - Oct 25th, 2021 at 1:05pm
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So, lemme understand here. . .you're thinking of putting a .33 Winchester barrel on a Mauser 71 action?
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 25th, 2021 at 2:13pm
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Not exactly. 
.338 bore, 30" barrel. Dave Manson reamer, headspace gauge to match.
The bolt head on a 71 is quite different so there are some things
that must be taken into consideration for this project.
45-70 Cases reformed to .33 Win. Black Powder only.
Nice banded front sight, rear sight will sit on the 3" of parrelel section off the receiver ring. 
Old guys need long sight radius to see the little gold bead.   
So, if you examen the 43 Mauser case head, it's a mite different also.
Already have the mold, the dies, and the cases. 
The stock is going to be an improved version of the original.
  

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Re: 1871 Mauser, Single Shot, .33 Winchester,
Reply #8 - Oct 25th, 2021 at 9:58pm
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The 1871 Mauser action was used by the Uruguay navy chambered in a smokeless powder 6.5mm cartridge. I would think m ost of the late 19th century military 6.5mm cartridges operated at 40,000 p.s.i or more so moderately loaded 33 Winchester smokeless rounds would probably be safe. It probably wouldn't hurt to get a little more feedback from some of the gunsmiths and ballistic experts who frequent this forum.
  
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Re: 1871 Mauser, Single Shot, .33 Winchester,
Reply #9 - Oct 25th, 2021 at 11:15pm
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Why not chamber if for its cousin the 44-77  or its short cousin the 44-60? The rim on the 77 would be about correct if you have a flat bolt face as mine does.  Brass can be a bit hard to find these days. The 60 can be purchased from BACO with the right rim thicknees or it can be formed from 45-70 brass and head spaced on the shoulder. Both would give you all the romp and stomp you need when loaded with bp. Maybe a bit less of a chance of an overload in the 60 but it will still hold a good bit of smokeless powder.  Reformed and fired 60 will hold about 55 or so grains of Swill BP, more than enough to get most jobs done. 
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Re: 1871 Mauser, Single Shot, .33 Winchester,
Reply #10 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 1:11am
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Come to think of it, one of my 71 Mausers was originally barreled to the 6.5x53.5 French Daudeteau (not to be confused with the 6.5x53 Dutch/Romanian Mannlicher). With only the bolt handle serving as the locking lug and the confusion with the loading data I'm glad I had the 8.15x46R Aydt barrel put on mine and never even considered going the 6.5 route. There also seems to be quite a bit of discussion about the "banana" effect of the single lug being on the side of the bolt and the less than great accuracy that causes for the 6.5s (not a problem for my 8.15x46R or the 11 Mauser).
  
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Re: 1871 Mauser, Single Shot, .33 Winchester,
Reply #11 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 7:57am
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In my youth of great energy and idealism, I lugged that 1871 .43 Mauser over hill and Dale.
I shot a couple does with it. It was almost fun.
I ran out of ammo, thinking it was a handful of Dominion Canada,
and being a young fellow making 15 dollars a month, I retired that 
rifle, to the attic. 
I'm not young anymore, and I'm not lugging anything up and down those hills and thickets. 
I'll run down the plan, no refunds, no exchanges.
.338 barrel blank, .33 Win. Manson reamer/HS gauges. Bucket full of .45-70 brass, die set, long banded front sight, chunk of black walnut that I've been saving for the stock.
The story behind this project goes back to the 1950's. 
Already have a mighty nice blind built, up on the oak ridge, overlooking the most lovely expanse of deer thickets.
I'll more then likely  going to fall asleep up there. I do that a lot now.
Part of the plan!
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Re: 1871 Mauser, Single Shot, .33 Winchester,
Reply #12 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 8:10am
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My appologies, I forgot something.
Brand new still in the cardboard box, Ideal (Lyman) single cavity 
.338320 mold. 1930s.    It's even a GC little critter.
For all of you wondering how fast  I  am going to load the ammo for 
The. 33 Win., well, that I can not tell you at this very moment. Slow is the operative word here. Going be a black powder cartridge extravaganza.   
  

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Reply #13 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 11:25am
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Sounds like a good plan!
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 27th, 2021 at 5:21am
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Be good to see it when it’s up and running 
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