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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #15 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 10:54pm	Print Post
	bpjack wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 7:32pm: So, based on that statement, my 1919 mfg 32-40 high wall is considered an antique? No FFL required for transfer then? I am confused. Yes it was very confusing wasn't it. I'd always assumed it was 1898


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3780 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #16 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 11:29pm	Print Post
	Well, it is kind of moot for me. That is the last centerfire rifle I will ever get rid of, All but one other of my 1885s are pre 1898

	People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.
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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #17 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 11:43pm	Print Post
	I would save that letter if it is on ATF letterhead, and signed. Hearsay does not hold up well!!!! And I sold a lot of firearms and the year 1898 and earlier was the date that denoted Antique. It has been over 10 years since I last sold under an FFL license, but not aware of any change in the law?

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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #18 - Sep 22^nd, 2021 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	Me too. I have a HiWall 38-55 with no SN. I am going to get a DST from MVA and will have a number put on it. Rich


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #19 - Sep 22^nd, 2021 at 11:49pm	Print Post
	bpjack the law actually states that a firearm is considered antique having been manufactured in or before 1898. So a firearm manufactured in the year 1898 is considered an antique. Not as you stated, pre 1898, which implies otherwise. If it would make you feel more comfortable, I am sure the wording is available online.

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #20 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 1:55am	Print Post
	rkba2nd wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2021 at 11:49pm: bpjack the law actually states that a firearm is considered antique having been manufactured in or before 1898. So a firearm manufactured in the year 1898 is considered an antique. Not as you stated, pre 1898, which implies otherwise. If it would make you feel more comfortable, I am sure the wording is available online. It's funny that I got the email from an atf person contradicting this.


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #21 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 2:40pm	Print Post
	Cbashooter It won't be the first time a government employee is mistaken. That is why I mentioned keeping a copy. I also said that it had been a long time since I dealt with them, so the law could have been changed, but highly unlikely. To be on the safe side, until we know differently, I will use made in 1898 or before.

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #22 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 8:24pm	Print Post
	rkba2nd wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 2:40pm: Cbashooter It won't be the first time a government employee is mistaken. That is why I mentioned keeping a copy. I also said that it had been a long time since I dealt with them, so the law could have been changed, but highly unlikely. To be on the safe side, until we know differently, I will use made in 1898 or before. The key is over 100 years old in "obsolete caliber" .i had a well known collector message me with this confirmation he has from the ATF


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #23 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 8:40pm	Print Post
	Bottom line is if you now have it in your personal possession the rest of it really doesn't matter! So congratulations in that the Government did not take it!

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #24 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 1:01am	Print Post
	I was aware of the obsolete ammunition clause, but not aware of a list of obsolete cartridges to include the 32-40 Ballard and 38-55 Ballard, unless they are considering the original Ballard cartridge being different than the 32-40 or 38-55 Winchester. As bpjack said, very confusing, but when dealing with the government, what isn't? It would be nice, but will likely never happen, to make readily available all current aspects of the 1968 act to other than FFL licensees. I would want a copy of such letter, not just a good friend told me. I dealt with ATF agents for a lot of years, and like with anything, some are good, some not so. I have asked three different agents the same question and received three different answers. That is not the way it is supposed to work. I would trust some of them about as far as I could throw them, others much more so. Sometimes hard to tell the difference. Hence a hard copy. Just my take.

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #25 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 1:02am	Print Post
	Jlouis The rest really does matter.

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #26 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 10:08am	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 8:40pm: Bottom line is if you now have it in your personal possession the rest of it really doesn't matter! So congratulations in that the Government did not take it! Yes that's all I'm happy about. I got the same answer from 2 different agents. I think it's something that we need to look into for clarification.


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