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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Sep 16^th, 2021 at 1:58am	Print Post
	My dealer received the rifle I purchased and the curved Tang is custom and does not have the serial number. he may have turn it over to the ATF because he said it is illegal to transfer. what are my options? Tang is a separate part so the receiver technically has no serial number.Its a late coil spring action.


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Sure shot Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1168 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #1 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 9:08am	Print Post
	I don’t know what your options are but millions of guns were manufactured without serial numbers before 1968. Could they just enter it in their books as no serial number?


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sureshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 338 Location: Snohomish Joined: May 27^th, 2007	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #2 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 9:14am	Print Post
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #3 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 11:40am	Print Post
	I once owned a Mos action with no serial number and one was engraved on it for such transfer purposes.

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #4 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Sep 16^th, 2021 at 11:40am: I once owned a Mos action with no serial number and one was engraved on it for such transfer purposes. Thanks for the input Joe I appreciated. I talked to my ATF agent and he said they're not horribly worried about a gun of this vintage and being that the Tang has the Tang has the serial number and it is not part of what they now consider an action they will just have the dealer book it in has no serial number


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3780 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #5 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	Back in the early years, Winchester only marked their name on the barrels and not on the top upper tang. I purchased such a model that had been re-barreled with a no-name .22 barrel from Cabelas. The handwritten invoice listed it as a Winchester High Wall, but the ATF paperwork was listed as an unknown manufacturer, unknown model. WTF? How would the ATF even trace it. it did have a serial number on the lower tang, but it had a date that post-dated the missing Winchester name. I could switch that tang to a different rifle and make it an unknown I guess. The ATF might care if I ever figure out how to convert the action to full auto. Jack

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #6 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 2:33pm	Print Post
	Thank you for everybody's input. Derek an ATF agent out of Seattle was able to clear everything up with my dealer and I able to take my Richard Hoch barreled highwall home with me.
	« Last Edit: Sep 16^th, 2021 at 4:16pm by Cbashooter »

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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1851 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #7 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 7:00pm	Print Post
	I'm glad things worked out for you.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #8 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 7:36pm	Print Post
	Very nice and it is hard to tell does it have a single set trigger or am I possibly seeing something else?

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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Online Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2280 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #9 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 7:55pm	Print Post
	There's lots of single-shot rifles out there without serial numbers. I have both Winchesters and Ballards sans numbers. One highwall out there somewhere has my drivers license number on its tang.


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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 466 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #10 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 8:17pm	Print Post
	Very nice rifle.


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #11 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 10:45pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Sep 16^th, 2021 at 7:36pm: Very nice and it is hard to tell does it have a single set trigger or am I possibly seeing something else? Yes it does have a single set trigger. Twist appears to be 1 in 16. I've been just playing around with seating depths for breach seating. I will shoot it Saturday


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #12 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 10:47pm	Print Post
	barrel markings.


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #13 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 5:21pm	Print Post
	Here is atf response .over 100 years is antique in their eyes. "Hello xxxx Your Winchester model 1885 single shot in obsolete 32-40 ballard caliber that was manufactured before 1920 is 100 years old or older. It would be considered an antique. You may enter the firearm as a NSN with a description in the FFL’s books. Let me know if you have any questions. Sincerely, Susan Knox Senior Industry Operations Investigator Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Seattle Field Division"


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3780 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: 1885 Replaced Tang no serial # issue Reply #14 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 7:32pm	Print Post
	So, based on that statement, my 1919 mfg 32-40 high wall is considered an antique? No FFL required for transfer then? I am confused.

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