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Aug 16th, 2021 at 7:44pm
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As you can see by the photo, I lost of chip from the end of the case on my breechseater. I shot 20 shots after the break and it did not seem to have any adverse affect on anything. I assume there is a recommended procedure for replacing the case, and a number of "other' procedures, before I start I would like to know what the recommended procedure is. 
I have a match coming up in a few weeks. If I screw this up I might be out of business for a while. Should I wait till after the match?
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Re: breechseater repair
Reply #1 - Aug 16th, 2021 at 8:05pm
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Most likely, you will need a case that was fired from your rifle. Hard to tell how to repair without seeing rest of seater. Can you Post a pic of the seater
  

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Reply #2 - Aug 16th, 2021 at 8:44pm
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If your seater case allows the bullet to slip into it, then you need a case that is large enough to allow that and still fit your barrel.  On my seaters for my 32-40 high wall, that requires expanding the case a bit more than one that is fired AND thinning the case mouth. Mine will fit a .3225 diameter bullet and still chamber.  Since my seater adjusts the depth in the seater body, all I do is drill a 1/4" hole in the case.   

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Re: breechseater repair
Reply #3 - Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:42pm
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A couple big "ifs" : if as you say it is working with no ill effects, I would wait until after the match to effect a replacement. If there are any burrs/sharp edges that could bite you, so to speak, I would ever so gently deburr it. If you have access to a lathe it's no big trick to prep a seasoned case that's been fired a few times in that chamber to fit a breech seater. Biggest hassle is to ream/hone the inside of the neck to offer a nice slip fit for the plunger (while guaranteeing that the bullet is a nice slip fit too) - sloppiness in that regard sort of negates some of the benefits accrued from breech seating. At least that's how I view it.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 17th, 2021 at 10:35am
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What type of seater is it? It is basically as easy as changing out the existing case with another fire formed case. And making note of the existing seating to depth to be able to return to it. Some seater cases are simply screwed on and why I asked who made it. Some folks used odd thread pitch sizes and Russ Weber was one of those so just something you would want to know before hand. Basically if a screwed on type just drill and re-tap a new fire formed case and screw back on.
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 17th, 2021 at 12:23pm
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The breechseater was made by Russ Weber who also provided two extra cases, was mainly wondering about the preferred method of disassembly, if there is one. 
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Reply #6 - Aug 17th, 2021 at 12:38pm
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Just unscrew the case and put your extra case provided by Russ back on. I myself like to use a little blue LocTite and not sure if Russ liked to do the same.
  

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Reply #7 - Aug 17th, 2021 at 10:39pm
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Thanks everyone,

I decided to make the repair, and so far, so good. There are two little flat marks on the seater base, which I believe are index marks to indicate where the case rim has to be removed, am I correct?
I calculate the thread as 5/16X32, can anyone verify that? I am using one of the extra cases Russ provided, but want to replace it. I think I bought this breechseater in 2008 so I probably wont live long enough to have to replace another case. 
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Re: breechseater repair
Reply #8 - Aug 18th, 2021 at 9:07am
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  5/16x32 is the thread on mine.
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 18th, 2021 at 10:42am
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I believe you are correct about the flats.
  

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Reply #10 - Aug 18th, 2021 at 6:08pm
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Thanks for all the replies!
Before I locktite the replacement case on the breech seater, I want to make another replacement case. I am told I should ream out the case mouth to accept a bullet. I have a lathe but due to the taper on the case, I am not sure that chucking it in the three or four jaw chuck would be a good idea. I do NOT have a reamer, but I do have several shop rolls of abrasive in a wide variety of grits. I was going to put some 1" abrasive strips on a split mandrel and run that in the case mouth. Not sure what grit to start or finish with. Any better ideas?
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Reply #11 - Aug 18th, 2021 at 6:40pm
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Before you start does the bullet not now fit? If so and if the mouth of the case still has some room to expand and to still go in chamber. I would just turn a new expanding plug to just do that. What is unusual to me is if Russ Weber made the extra cases for the same bullet being used at the time why would it not now fit. The problem with trying to expand the mouth of the case is it will have some spring back involved and it will try to return back to being close to its original state. Same as it does after the case has been shot. If you have the ability to adjust the case so it close to having zero run out. Often times is better to remove the brass from the outside of the case by use of the proper size pin guage is being inserted into the mouth of the case and to then take it out and to re-form it by re-fire forming it. This could also be easily done buy using a fine cut file while the case is running true. Or to use an abrasive to clean up the mouth of the case until the proper pin guage fits in that case I would probably use 220 grit wet sand paper as it shouldn't take much to reach your actual intended target size.
  

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Re: breechseater repair
Reply #12 - Aug 18th, 2021 at 6:40pm
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I used to just chuck the rim in a 3 jaw, use a live center in the tailstock and spin it while filing the outside of the case.  this was after expanding the case to allow a slip fit of the bullet.  I ended up with a reamer that I picked up in a lot of 5 reamers on eBay that works well for my 32-40.  If your bullet will fit a filed case then you may not need to thin the mouth area.

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Reply #13 - Aug 18th, 2021 at 8:14pm
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I provided Russ with three fire formed cases, and have one installed to replace the damaged one that was originally installed, so I am good to go.  I still have one fire formed case that I got from Russ as a replacement. However, since I am involved in the project I wanted to make a new replacement case so that I will still have two extras, which I know is a belt and suspenders approach but I cant help it!
At any rate, I just ordered a 5/15 X 32 tap. Will use a fire formed case that has not been sized, ( I have lots of them), and if need be will either ream it out with a shop roll abrasive wrapped around a mandrel or make an expander die ( which I might have from my days of using fixed ammunition). 
The repair was quite simple, but I just wanted to avoid making a stupid mistake, so I thank everyone for their expert advice!
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Re: breechseater repair
Reply #14 - Aug 19th, 2021 at 11:28am
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Just a bit of 🤦🏼‍♂️ what happens to me now and again.  I was sent a Breach Seater and some cases to thread to fit....
5/16 - 28, checked it twice, ordered a Tap and all was fine.  Till I got a call saying everything looks great except all the other seaters he has are, you guessed it, 5/16 - 32. Yes it was a Monday. Undecided. David
  
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