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Ugly duckling
Jul 30th, 2021 at 8:47pm
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Now that I am retired, I have time to do the projects I have thought about. The one time I took a button buck with a cast bullet, I had to walk up on him and administer the coup de grace, very bad. I decided I needed a larger caliber.
This old Swiss martini has been in the gun room for many years, couldn’t figure how to mount a scope without drilling & tapping. The  rib on the barrel measured .020 less than 16mm. CZ 527 rings are for a 16 mm rib. Worth a try, they clamp on tight, pushed the rear ring up against the front sight to prevent any forward movement do to recoil. The scope is a Leupold 2.5x LER. The rifle is 9.3x53 Swiss, about the same power as a 358 Winchester . I formed the brass from 7.5x55 Swiss. Loading a 220gr RN. Starting load is 23.5 gr of IMR4227. Looking forward to the range when it cools off.
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Reply #1 - Jul 30th, 2021 at 9:22pm
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Looks like a swan to me.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 30th, 2021 at 10:09pm
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Are those bases for claw mounts that I see?  If so, you might check the German Gun Collectors site; I'm pretty sure there's at least on person in the US who custom-makes rings for such things.

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Reply #3 - Jul 30th, 2021 at 10:36pm
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I checked sometime ago, the cost is prohibitive for this old duckling.
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Reply #4 - Jul 30th, 2021 at 10:38pm
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How does she handle the rimless brass?
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 30th, 2021 at 11:21pm
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Have only fired it a few times. It worked fine. There is a 9.3x53r, I assume it was chambered for the rimless version because of availability of surplus ammunition. I don’t know if it will eject the spent cartridge if the action is opened sharply or not, I intend to try next trip to the range. I hope to take a whitetail with it this fall.
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Reply #6 - Jul 31st, 2021 at 2:30pm
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Is the extractor sprung to get into the groove or what?
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 31st, 2021 at 2:46pm
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Swiss cartridges based on the 7.5X55 Swiss round have a rim that is just a couple of thousand's larger than the base.
One way that they handled extraction is to machine a lip on the extractor and allow the lip to push the extractor back, until the lip could fall into the cartridge groove.
In the attached pictures, the extractor can move .040" laterally, as the 7.5X55 cartridge is inserted. With a brisk opening of the action, the cartridge is actually thrown clear of the action.
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Reply #8 - Jul 31st, 2021 at 6:05pm
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The extractor does spring to the side when the cartridge is inserted.
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Reply #9 - Jul 31st, 2021 at 6:33pm
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So similar to the 7x57 rolling block.
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 2nd, 2021 at 4:39pm
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How come this post shows up on my computer when I click on ugly Duckling but does not show up when I click on Hunting with single shots.
The same thing happened with the post I did and I thought it was because the Moderator thought I was telling Porky Pies about the magic Dragonfly and pulled my post.
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 2nd, 2021 at 10:39pm
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Looks mighty fine to me!
  

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Reply #12 - Aug 3rd, 2021 at 8:05am
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Nero, some funny things are happening with my laptop too. For example if I login, all I can see are the three sections down at the bottom unless I use the back button at the top and then I'll see everything. Another example, is right now I can see Pavogrande in the all topics section but when I click on the for sale section, he's not there. I have no idea why this is happening.
  
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Reply #13 - Aug 3rd, 2021 at 5:27pm
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Now this really is weird, just switched on my old lap top to the ASSRA site and there is the ugly duckling under the hunting section but with no pictures though.
The post I made about my light weight hunting rifle is also there but again no photo.
Will have to ask my grand kids if they can explain and report back.
  
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Reply #14 - Aug 3rd, 2021 at 6:36pm
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I use three different machines to view this site- no pictures show up if the machine I'm using isn't signed on. That happens that I get disconnected on one and forget to note that when I change back to that ,puter.
  
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Reply #15 - Aug 3rd, 2021 at 7:25pm
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Just had a word with one of my computer wizards and he reckons its a site configuration or hosting issue.
  
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Reply #16 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 1:29am
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I have a Swiss vetterli in 10.4x38 ( i think that is correct.) i make cases from lebel brass.. and yes it is a single shot as the spring no longer is in the tube magazine and several parts are missing.. It is much uglier than your rifle but i must say i have had a lot of fun with ugly rifles. i made a front sight and i think used a Remington rear sight. milled the site to fit the large dove tail. anyway these old ugly rifles are a lot of fun to shoot. and again if there was a contest for the ugliest rifle i know i would win hands down with mine. 
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and please dont give me a bad time as it was a repeater but has not been one for many years.
  

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Re: Ugly duckling
Reply #17 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 10:19am
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I think the beauty is in the pleasure they give you at the range or the field. I am sure my German schuetzen rifles would be ugly to many people. Tried it at the range yesterday, the scope didn’t fall off, so the mounts might orkout.
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Reply #18 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:59am
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Clamping the scope mounts to the barrel rib is a good short term solution. It allows the use of LER scopes and allows full access to the action for loading and extraction. It just doesn't look as clean as the rifle's original claw scope mounts.
Now that you are retired, there is no excuse for not fitting a set of claw mounts to your rifle's scope bases. 
The Martini action will require a higher scope height for ease of operation and it wouldn't surprise me if your stock was designed with this in mind. If this is the case, mounting the scope clamped to the rib, may be harder to acquire than one a little higher.
You probably, already have the answer, after your trip to the range.
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Reply #19 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 5:07pm
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Just found this post at the bottom of page three and also found my post about my BSA Martini on page two on my desk computer.
Computers sure are fascinating.
  
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Reply #20 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 7:39pm
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"Computers sure are fascinating."

Yeah, they sure are- sometimes I go down to Best Buy just to yell at their computers.
  
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Reply #21 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 10:40pm
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They make great 1000 yard gongs!!!
  

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