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Re: Building a Remington #7 Rolling Block from casting
Reply #45 - Jul 27th, 2021 at 9:12am
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Thanks guys, really appreciate the comments!

Joe Do…, I’ve had many people help me when I’ve had questions on how the originals were made or configured.  And I appreciate all the help I’ve had from everyone.  What you did when you disassembled your original and taking pictures, measurements and making drawings was especially helpful.  Thank You.
  

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Re: Building a Remington #7 Rolling Block from casting
Reply #46 - Jul 27th, 2021 at 9:19am
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I always like to remind everyone that I’m not a professional machinist, gunsmith or gun stocker, this is and always has been a hobby, something to keep mind and body busy.   I have been stocking and building my own guns for 20 years but cut my first piece of metal on a lathe and mill 4 years ago after I retired.
I’m not an artist, I can’t draw a good stick man.  Cry
If I can do this anyone can!
  

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Reply #47 - Jul 27th, 2021 at 10:21am
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On to the stocking of this action now.

The action is stocked from a blank by using mostly just hand tools, including rasps, files, scrapers and sand paper.  I've had the blank since 2013 so it is well seasoned and believe it to be English walnut, probably California English though.  While I do use measuring tool for layout, pretty much everything else is done by eye.  I do what I feel looks best in shaping a gun stock, so it may not appeal to some.

This first photo is of the blank.  Looking at this side, it has no imperfection that I could see.  But later you will see that, what I call, a bark inclusion showed up just behind the grip below the comb.  The crude drawing of the stock will be cut out on the bandsaw, this is well oversized because I did not know where this was headed as far as inletting and dimensions goes.  And to start I only cut the head and grip area out so I could get started inletting the action.  The rest would be trimmed off after I know where the drop and pull length will end up and I put no cast off/on in this stock at either the heel or toe line.

2.  Stocking this action was somewhat challenging with the crazy curved tangs and curved frame.  I started by inletting the head and top tang first.  The black you see, for anyone not familiar with the process, is what is called inletting black.  This stuff is somewhat messy but I've tried many different ways and products and I find this has been the best to work with.  A little bit goes along ways. 
This picture shows just getting started on a long and tedious journey! Undecided

3.  Progressing along with the top tang.  The inletting black is applied to the metal, the metal carefully set on the wood and lightly taped with a wood mallet. The dark spot that are left on the wood are what need to be removed, as they are the high spots.  This is continued until everything fits.
I need to add that both tangs have a bevel filed into their sides and around the end of each.  This helps in getting the inlets started and keeping them tight.  I use a chip carving knife to mark the outline of the inlet.  This bevel allow the knife blade, when held at an angle, to get under the side of the part, keeping the outline inside the part so a tight inlet is possible. 

4.  This is a different gun but shows the knife being used for the marking of the inlet.
  

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Re: Building a Remington #7 Rolling Block from casting
Reply #48 - Jul 27th, 2021 at 10:46am
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Photo 1.  Showing the inlet top tang and head completed.  A bit messy and the inletting is deeper than what I would normally do.  This is because I did not know for certain where the tangs was going to end up.

2.  Inletting the lower tang/trigger guard is now done.

3 ans 4.  Just a couple photos of the complete attached action head and tangs.

5.  Overall picture of the stock in it's rough shape.

In case anyone might be interested, I don't keep track of time but I would guess this took around 20 hours to complete over several days.  I only work in my shop 3 to 6 hours per day and 3 to 4 hours a day on a job like this is enough!
  

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Re: Building a Remington #7 Rolling Block from casting
Reply #49 - Jul 27th, 2021 at 10:59am
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At this point I had a reproduction butt plate ordered and it had not arrived so what I could do was limited.  In the end the plate took two months to get so the gun ended up sitting much of that time until it came.   
I did rough shape the grip area and installed the buffalo horn grip cap.  I'll get into the horn installation and shaping later.  Anyway this photo is where we are currently at in the stocking.
  

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Reply #50 - Jul 27th, 2021 at 11:06am
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While waiting for the plate I did make and install the forearm.  But first the barrel needed some finish work done to it.  The octagon portion needed cleaned up by draw filing.  I didn't do it all, just the flats that contacted the forearm.  As I talked earlier, I am careful but sometimes a file or rasp bumps the barrel and needs cleaned up in the end anyway.  In the end all the flats get filed and polished.
Photo is showing the task of draw filing.

2.  I have never used my mill as wood router.  But wow, was it nice to use in order to get the octagon rough cut into the forearm wood.  I only cut it straight in the mill and it still needs fitting to the tapered barrel.
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Reply #51 - Jul 27th, 2021 at 6:58pm
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Did a bit more engraving today.  That is now done.
  

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Reply #52 - Jul 27th, 2021 at 7:24pm
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Continuing with the forearm, this first photo shows that it is fitted to the octagon barrel but still needs to be moved back and fitted to the front of the action.

2.  The forearm was bandsawed out of the barrel fitted blank and then cleaned and squared up getting it to the basic shape.  Looks like I had started the shaping here also.

3.  This side is done with rough shaping using rasps, just a matter of duplicating this to the other side now.

4 and 5.  Couple shots of the rough finished forearm.  All final shaping will be completed with sandpaper at the sametime as the stock.

An added note here.  I opted not to use the original horn or ebony insert at the tip because I think it looks odd! Smiley
  

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Re: Building a Remington #7 Rolling Block from casting
Reply #53 - Jul 27th, 2021 at 10:16pm
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This is easily one of the most complete and helpful build up articles I've yet seen...I had been toying with the notion of building a No.7 for my bride and this has made up my mind...Gotta do it! It's the perfect rifle for her and I have a lovely piece of walnut in the stash that will look just right on it.Guess I have to call Rodney, and get off my keester and find a rotary table/dividing head.

I have been trying to find time to do my own write up of building an 1877 Sharps from Rodney's castings and it is a ton of work, really appreciate the time an thought you've put into this.
  
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Reply #54 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 11:49am
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After the two months wait for the buttplate, and with the gun sitting in the corner during that time, it finally came after some hounding of the people that made it.  The plate appears to be a very close copy of the original, I have included here a picture I was sent of an original, he also included all measurements.

Now is the time to be sure you know what you want in drop, at both comb and heel, length of pull, cast on or off at both heel and toe and pitch.  This all is controlled by buttplate positioning.  Once this is all figured into the placement of the plate it all becomes a normal stock shaping project. Roll Eyes

Since this plate has a widows peak it was somewhat interesting to inlet to the stock and did take some time.  When fitting a plate to any stock you are working with end grain, which for me is not fun.  Anymore I go hard after a close fit with wood rasps, file and chisels, doing this mostly by eye.  Once close, I then start using inletting black in order to get the fit I'm after.

This is the original buttplate.

2.  The reproduction in place.

3 ,4 and 5.  The stock taking shape.  Take note of the pencil lines in all the following photos of the stock shaping.  These line help keep the comb line, toe line, stock side line and all 4 grip lines correct and centered.  These are all the high points of the stock and the stock is shaped to these lines along with using the features such as the buttplate shape.  Also a properly shaped stock, at least in my opinion, should be a straight flat line, when check with a straight edge, from the buttplate forward to the grip.  No humps like a lot of modern stocks I see.  This helps keep a nice slim stock that looks good to the eye.  I was once told, by a high end stock maker, that the difference between a great stock and a poor one is a 1/16 of an inch!
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Reply #55 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 12:02pm
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Since it is important for the stock size on this gun, and several have shown interest in building one, I thought I should in include the buttplate dimension photos of the original.
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Reply #56 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 12:18pm
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1.  More of the shaping.

2.  Buttplate widows peak inlet.

3.  Note the lines here.  They may be a bit hard to see but the ones I'm referring to are the vertical, the diagonal line from just below the nose of the comb and the horizontal line the length of the stock.  These lines are duplicated on both sides. I like flutes in this area on most of my guns that are fairly well defined. On this gun it was not possible to get much definition but tried anyway without much luck.  This is because of the top tang being carried up so high into the nose of the comb.  These lines help keep the length and angle the same between each side.  Even with these lines it still requires close scrutiny from all angles to get them correct between the sides.
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Reply #57 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 12:32pm
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As I said in my last post, I like well a defined nose of the comb on my guns.  I know most factory guns have a blunt wide nose and my guess this is because it's easier and cheaper to form in the factory setting.  

1. I struggled with this for a time.  As they say its easier to remove wood than replace it so I approached the nose shape cautiously.  This shows a fairly wide nose yet.

2.  The original guns have a really sharp point at the nose which I don't really care for, so this is the final shape I settled on.

3. A front shot of the comb nose.  Here you can see why a flute is nearly impossible with the tang where it is.  Also note the bark inclusion I talked about several posts back.  It's fairly shallow at this point and will be fixed later but not hidden.
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Reply #58 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 12:37pm
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Going to talk about fitting and shaping this buffalo horn grip cap next.
  

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Reply #59 - Jul 28th, 2021 at 5:38pm
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Here are some pictures of the original grip cap with measurements.  By having these measurements, on both the gip cap and the buttplate, gives anyone building a #7 some of the dimension they need in order to get started on stocking a gun.
  

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