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Re-chamber 40-70SS to 40-65
Jul 21st, 2021 at 11:16am
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Have any of you do a re-chamber on a 40-70ss to 40-65?
 
Don't worry collectors out there, this rifle is a modern gun.

since the 40-70 is a bit difficult in getting it to shoot well, plus brass is unobtainium. I would like it rechambered and not rebarreled.

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Re: Re-chamber 40-70SS to 40-65
Reply #1 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 11:57am
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Since the 40-70 is ,4" longer than the 40-65, it will have to be set back quite a bit and the fit of the forearm will be quite lose. Anything else attached to the barrel like a forearm support or possibly a mainspring support will have to be changed, If you can live with that, it is quite doable. You might be better off getting it rebarreled in the long run. What do you have available for the 40-70 right now that doesn't seem to be working?
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 12:10pm
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I don't have any 40-70, but have been reading a lot of email/articles etc that seem to indicate issues, plus brass is very very hard to come by. I have plenty of 40-65.
  

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Re: Re-chamber 40-70SS to 40-65
Reply #3 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 1:09pm
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The .40-60 Maynard has the same body as the .40-70 SS (just shorter) and is a straighter case than the .40-65 and holds the same amount of powder. It is a .30-40 Krag case blown out and is 2.200 inches long. A slight set back (for a shorter case) and re-boring of the chamber and you are set to go.

I find I get better accuracy from .40-60 cases than I do from the .40-65 cases - probably due to slightly better alignment of the straighter walled case. I load both with 52.7 grains Swiss FFFg and a 427 grain Paul Jones  Creedmoor bullet @ 1,250 fps.

The loose forearm can be shortened (to use same screw holes)  & bedded to obtain a perfect fit after rechambering.
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Reply #4 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 1:24pm
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I have 3 rifles in 40-70 SS and they all shoot pretty well.  Black powder in an original Sharps and a rebored Remington rolling block, and smokless powder in a Shiloh.   I see 1" groups all the time at 100 yards from the sitting position.

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Reply #5 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 1:59pm
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Another option would be to set back only about 0.1-0.15" or so
and rechamber into the 40-82 Silhouette, which uses 
45-2.4 (45-90) brass that is available.
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Re: Re-chamber 40-70SS to 40-65
Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 2:10pm
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OH, re. 40-65 accuracy:
It has been one of the easiest cartridges to build accurate loads. Like "falling off a log"
Also, shot a record 800yds string at Lodi BPTR of 99-3X.
File pic too large to post here.
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Re: Re-chamber 40-70SS to 40-65
Reply #7 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 2:18pm
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One of the main issues with 40-70 SS rifles is the wide variety of chambers so that finding the right brass can be an issue.  If it is a modern rifle then the chamber was probably cut for 30/40 stretched brass or 405 Winchester brass.  I have two rifles and both chambers are completely different so I have two types of brass.  My Hepburn was chambered for full length 405 brass and so brass for it is scarce.  My other rifle has the standard 2.5" chamber.  I used shortened 405 brass when it was available and am thinking of getting some stretched 30/40  Krag brass formed to 40-70 from BACO while it is available.  It is fairly cheap and is usually available for standard rim thickness chambers.  I have found good smokeless and blackpowder loads in both of my rifles.  If I was starting over I would go with a 38/50 Remington Hepburn or a 40-60 Maynard so as to be able to use 30/40 Krag brass.  Tom
  
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Re: Re-chamber 40-70SS to 40-65
Reply #8 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 2:27pm
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And, that exactly the kind of thing I want to stay away from...would make things a little more tedious than I would want. I noticed this particular rifle has been lined, from what I do not know, and there is not much information ergo my wondering about changing the chamber. I think setting the barrel back is the best option as I would then be dealing with somewhat known quantities
  

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Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 2:33pm
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I have had a long time good relationship with my 40-65,
but now I am "falling in love" with my more recent 38-50
which has also proven to be really easy to build accurate loads for and uses the still available 30-40 Krag brass as Tom pointed out. 
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Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 2:56pm
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Similarly, I was thinking something closer to that utilizing a 30-30 case blown out since that brass is not too hard to come by, but then would be faced with a completely new barrel which mean not being able to shot it until next year the way thing are going (not)
  

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Re: Re-chamber 40-70SS to 40-65
Reply #11 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 4:49pm
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I agree with Arnie; the 40-65 cartridge is easily loaded for fine accuracy.  I had a rifle in .40 Silhouette that was based on a metric case. I had the barrel relined to 40-65. It could have been shortened and re-chambered (same price) but I elected to keep the original barrel length.
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Re: Re-chamber 40-70SS to 40-65
Reply #12 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 5:20pm
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577Nitro wrote on Jul 21st, 2021 at 12:10pm:
I don't have any 40-70, but have been reading a lot of email/articles etc that seem to indicate issues, plus brass is very very hard to come by. I have plenty of 40-65.


Nitro, sounds like you have been doing some reloading since you have 40-65 brass so here is what I would do for what it's worth. Don't give up on the 40-70 sharps yet.  Buffalo arms has brass for about a buck 30 a round. Order 20 or 25 rounds and load them up and see what you get. Make sure you measure your rim depth and get the right rim thickness that you need. A lot has been written on the internet especially on one website that has a lot of misinformation. Keep in mind that if one person has had a bad experience, and posts it on the internet, it'll be repeated by 10 other people that have never tried one . The 40-70 will shoot just fine. Tell us more about the rifle and how it's configured. That might give some of us an idea as to what you need to do to save money. The way I see it, no matter what you want to do, it is going to cost you a minimum of 350 bucks if you use a good gunsmith.
  
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Re: Re-chamber 40-70SS to 40-65
Reply #13 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 5:56pm
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Old-Win, my questioning was to determine if I purchase the 40-70 that I was looking over. I do have a 40-65, and a 32-40 as well, but was going to give the 32-40 to my wife to learn on without much recoil, and then move up to another 40-65 for matches next year. All of the information you gents have provided is welcome and realistic for me who is a newcomer to the single shot world. Most of my 60+ years of reloading/shooting has been for meat or clays, but at 76, Im slowing down a bit and have been focusing on shooting some singles. I think re-barreling this one is probably in order.
  

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Re: Re-chamber 40-70SS to 40-65
Reply #14 - Jul 21st, 2021 at 8:43pm
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Well, if it is something you are looking at with the possibility of buying, and you think the 40-70 SS is a pain in the butt to get shooting (which it isn't), save your  money and get what you would rechamber it to.   For me, the 40-70 SS is working out very well.   The 40-60 Maynard is about 1/4 inch shorter and can be easilly made from 30-40 by simply blowing it out to a straight case.   Back about 50 years ago it was called the "40-Krag."   I had a rifle made up in that caliber by Didk Hoch on a Ruger #3 and never did get it to shoot worth a hoot, but Steve Garbe won some national championships with that cartridge.   No matter what, with almost any black powder cartridge you need to do a lot of tinkering to get it shootilg like you want it to.

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