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gnoahhh Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1063 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Joined: Mar 31^st, 2010	Barrel fitting Jul 8^th, 2021 at 1:35pm	Print Post
	Hypothetical question concerning general fitment of barrels: When fitting a barrel to, say, a High Wall, is there a need to make it "farmer tight" or does hand tight + maybe a skinch extra torque suffice? Would the answer change for other actions such as Ballard? The reason I ask is while brainstorming my next build, I got to wondering if a switch-barrel setup would be viable - something that could be easily accomplished at home without resorting to a gunsmith equipped with a massive vise and a long handled action wrench. (I know the obvious answer is to just go with a CPA and have them fit a couple barrels while they're at it. I just wish to be a little different.)


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n.r.davis Oldtimer Offline Posts: 613 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2015	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #1 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 2:40pm	Print Post
	Hand tight plus a Tad works for me. Worked on a barrel that was Farmer Tight coming off, O.D. was .001 over nominal. Went back on just fine after taking .005 off. Two suggestions: Get a Thread Mike, even the Budget made in China ones make it so much easier to tell where your at. Make up a Stub Barrel to check the Receiver Face to be Square with the Threads. No use switching Barrels and have the lock up move because the engagement changes through wear. Takes me about 4 hours to File and Scrape to Full Bearing. Regards and Have Fun . David


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n.r.davis Oldtimer Offline Posts: 613 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2015	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #2 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 2:43pm	Print Post
	Do some digging on how the Bench Rest Boys switch barrels. Definitely not Farmer Tight.


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4232 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #3 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 3:52pm	Print Post
	What is Farmer tight? Using a 3 foot or a 10 foot snipe?


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4465 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #4 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 4:06pm	Print Post
	No, a Massey-Ferguson and a chain.


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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1851 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #5 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 5:45pm	Print Post
	Depends on the action, some 22s don't get tightened down as much as a bolt action. Most modern bolt actions get about 50 FP but some of the old small actions would strip the threads if I put that much on it.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18044 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #6 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 6:41pm	Print Post
	A few of the old highly regarded gunsmiths like Schoyen, Pope, etc., used a set screw like Stevens, or a tapered cross pin to secure the barrels. Just turned in hand tight, and then secured with set screw, or wedge pin. I have several Ballard rifles by various custom barrel makers that did this. On the Ballard rifles they drilled and tapped a hole right through the serial number! Of course they didn't care back then.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3780 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #7 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 7:12pm	Print Post
	My 32-40 High Wall has a screw on the top of the receiver securing the barrel. Maybe it was done by Pope or Schoyen. Of course, someone would have had to send the Green Mountain barrel on it back in time. Might be possible Jack

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #8 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 7:27pm	Print Post
	It seems to me, as n.r.davis noted, that unless there is a perfect match of barrel fit to receiver, putting strain on the barrel will accentuate the problem. If the fit is good, then very little force is needed to secure the barrel, especially with a target rifle that is coddled like a baby. A Hawken drug around the mountains in the 1830's and 40's is quite another thing. Most benchrest gunsmiths that I know or knew would just give the barrel a firm hand snap and call it good, with an indexing mark for good measure. Some of the more persnikity would use a inch pound torque wrench. Benchrest shooters are a different breed, good breed, but different.

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #9 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 7:35pm	Print Post
	As an afterthought, one of the reasons that Stevens rifle seem to shoot so well, to include the 110 bolt guns is the way they secured a barrel, in the past with a set screw if you will, and a barrel nut on the 110. Similar to the Schoyen taper pin or set screws by others, as Marlinguy mentioned.

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gwahir Senior Forum Member Offline Ve gets too soon olt und too late shmart. Posts: 453 Location: montana Joined: Dec 31^st, 2005	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #10 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 8:15pm	Print Post
	rkba2nd wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 7:35pm: As an afterthought, one of the reasons that Stevens rifle seem to shoot so well, to include the 110 bolt guns is the way they secured a barrel, in the past with a set screw if you will, and a barrel nut on the 110. Similar to the Schoyen taper pin or set screws by others, as Marlinguy mentioned. I am considering using a savage 110 type 'barrel nut' for a switch barrel Hauck.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #11 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 8:55pm	Print Post
	Myself when fitting a competitive cast bullet benchrest barrel they will clock by just being hand tight. And if not needing to be changed to another I will use blue locktite. Actually the addition of the barrel retaining screw used on original Stevens 441/2's and the CPA's. And if done right it is all one really needs without having to sacrifice any competitive benchrest accuracy. Along with the ease of being able to use a different competitive benchrest barrel on the same action no matter what it might be and only needing to be hand tight.

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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 514 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #12 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 10:43pm	Print Post
	Did Winchester ever make a take down 1885?


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #13 - Jul 8^th, 2021 at 10:51pm	Print Post
	Yes they surely did.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12333 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Barrel fitting Reply #14 - Jul 9^th, 2021 at 12:46am	Print Post
	Gabi has one in .22.

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