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Mainspring narrowing
Jul 7th, 2021 at 5:24pm
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Because the lower tang on my Stevens 44 1/2 was altered to pistol grip and the mainspring was replaced by a different design, the hammer needs an exorbitant amount of pressure to cock it. I was wondering if narrowing might be worth a try. You narrow from the edges rather thinning the flat sides right?
  
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Re: Mainspring narrowing
Reply #1 - Jul 7th, 2021 at 6:07pm
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Before you narrow the spring have you backed out the tensioning screw first? If there is one on your rifle?

And never file across the spring because the scratches will commence it to break.
When narrowing the spring only file the edges along the length of the spring to prevent it from failing.
Or obtain a pistol grip spring from CPA  Rifles instead of trying to use the old straight stock spring.

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Reply #2 - Jul 7th, 2021 at 6:15pm
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As Bob said check the hammer spring adjustable tensioning screw. One and I highly doubt would be to also check if the spring is correctly sitting in the hammer stirrup and both of the legs are still there.
  

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Reply #3 - Jul 7th, 2021 at 7:21pm
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Good advice from these guys!  Since things have been reworked also make sure the hammer is not dragging/contacting the stirrup or the spring as it is being cocked. Here is a picture of an original just in case you are wondering what it should look like. The dark one is the original.
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 7th, 2021 at 9:03pm
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Here's what it looks like.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 7th, 2021 at 9:44pm
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Here is an original 44 1/2.  The spring in this action is the same one I showed above.  Not sure if you can grind yours and make it work.

As Dave said...it appears yours could be contacting the hammer as it is cocked or might be trying to push the spring rather than pulling it down because of the angle the spring is at in relation to the stirrup.  A proper spring from CPA might be worth a try without the spacer.  If you can reharden and temper a spring you could possibly reshape it and get it working.
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Reply #6 - Jul 7th, 2021 at 9:47pm
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The spacer under the hammer spring should not be there if the conversation was actually done right. I would try removing it and to just use the hammer spring adjustable pressure screw. Unfortunately you are not close enough to me to be of any real help?
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 7th, 2021 at 9:57pm
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Now that I look closer your spring appears to be attached at sear, set trigger springs point which would put it way to close to the hammer.  You can see the sear spring in my photo.
It also appears your tang starts to bend much closer to the frame than mine.  If this is the case not sure the CPA spring will work.

The top tang also looks to be about half the length of the original so I assume the lower is also short.
 
If I'm correct about this, a spring like shown in this photo may work, but would need to be a custom spring.  This is not a 44 1/2 but a #7 rolling block but you get the idea.
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Reply #8 - Jul 8th, 2021 at 10:45am
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After looking at it again it does appear to be in the location for the sear spring. And if you look real close a bobw's you can also see the tensioning screw poking through and contacting the bottom of hammer spring. 
Can you post a picture of the rest of the lower tang.
  

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Reply #9 - Jul 8th, 2021 at 11:35am
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oneatatime, the more I look at your photo the more I’m surprised you can even cock the hammer with that angle on the spring.  The geometry just looks way off and I imagine it could be putting lots of stress on the stirrup when cocking.  You probably don’t want to hear this, but I think to fix it, the spring needs to be moved back down the lower tang if there’s room and make a new spring that attacks the hammer stirrup at much less of an angle, I think as straight in as possible is best.  It also looks like the screw has had a vice grip on it and that’s because the screw is under the top tang making it hard to use a screwdriver.  Moving the spring  back will fix that issue also.  But then I may be all wet about my assumptions! Cheesy
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Reply #10 - Jul 8th, 2021 at 12:23pm
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Jack Rowe has a real nice three part series on making hammer springs. Below is I believe is the first part. 

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Reply #11 - Jul 8th, 2021 at 1:37pm
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Thank you all for your observations and suggestions. In light of them I examined the possibilities. There is no other place to mount the spring. There is no tensioning screw. The spring could be narrowed some so I looked at the screw attaching it. It was no sweat to used a screwdriver bit and a ratchet handle. It must have been attacked with pliers in its past. Surprisingly after a few clicks on the ratchet the tension was really reduced on the hammer. By retightening and checking the hammer bit by bit a hammer tension like my 44 Stevens has was reached and it was actually only a hair off from full tight. This was the tension I remembered when I was shooting it as a 219 Donaldson 3 years ago. My gunsmith must have snugged it up not realizing that besides the retaining screw it was also serving as the tensioning screw. So all is well and the new BRC choked 32-20 barrel is on it and ready for a trip to the range! Thank you all.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 8th, 2021 at 8:28pm
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Outstanding and thank you for keeping all us informed!
  

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Re: Mainspring narrowing
Reply #13 - Jul 9th, 2021 at 7:19am
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You should never narrow a spring. The correct way to reduce the rate is to reduce the thickness. Spring steel can be filed and then polished without too much effort. The local stresses in a spring are a function of the thickness: by narrowing the spring you do nothing for its fatigue life, but by reducing the thickness the fatigue life is inproved.
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Re: Mainspring narrowing
Reply #14 - Jul 9th, 2021 at 11:00am
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I've lightened mainsprings by rounding the corners on the springs. Just rounding all 4 corners is a gradual way to lighten them slightly, and not affect the spring much. I use my mini 1" wide belt sander, as it doesn't heat the spring, and makes quick work of it.
If I need more tension relieved, I use the belt sander to work on thickness. If I can hold it in my bare hands while working it, I know it's not getting too hot. But I keep a cup of water handy to cool it if it starts to get too warm to hold.
  

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