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Very early #2 Remington rolling block
Jun 29th, 2021 at 7:35pm
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I'm excited to share this gem with you guys. In fact it could be a Gem, which was the original name of what became the #2 rolling block rifle.  

Some of you know that I'm quite a fan of the #2 rifles. I've not seen one this early, other than in Roy Marcot's wonderful book. While well used over its near 150 year life, it is all complete and original.  It has a late 3 digit serial number and the rotary knife blade extractor. This extractor was only used on the very early #2 rifles. It was considered weak and soon replaced with the sliding bar extractor.  It is chambered in .32 Extra Long rimfire. The bore is well used and pitted, but bright.  

I removed the block and hammer for cleaning, it clearly had not been apart in many, many years. But after a careful cleaning and oiling, the action works great and is very smooth.  Of course there are no records to date it, but I'd estimate that it dates to early-mid 1873.  

I now have five #2 rifles, this being the earliest by far  Smiley

 
  
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Re: Very early #2 Remington rolling block
Reply #1 - Jun 29th, 2021 at 8:08pm
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Not sure if I've seen that extractor style or not, as haven't paid much attention. Congrats on #5!
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 29th, 2021 at 8:17pm
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Very nice Steve!

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Reply #3 - Jun 29th, 2021 at 8:56pm
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Looking through Marcot's book, he only shows four Gem/#2 rifles with lower serial numbers.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 29th, 2021 at 10:25pm
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I have never researched the number 2 and was not aware of the name Gem.  You have me curious about a gun I have.  It has the rotary extractor.  Mine has 206 on the outside bottom of the lower tang, like you would expect, but also has 396 stamped on the side of both upper and lower tang which I thought was strange.  Why wouldn’t they use the same number in both places?  I always assumed the 206 was the SN because it has 206 also stamped on the barrel.  So does this put my gun in approximately the same build time as yours?
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Reply #5 - Jun 29th, 2021 at 10:48pm
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bobw wrote on Jun 29th, 2021 at 10:25pm:
I have never researched the number 2 and was not aware of the name Gem.  You have me curious about a gun I have.  It has the rotary extractor.  Mine has 206 on the outside bottom of the lower tang, like you would expect, but also has 396 stamped on the side of both upper and lower tang which I thought was strange.  Why wouldn’t they use the same number in both places?  I always assumed the 206 was the SN because it has 206 also stamped on the barrel.  So does this put my gun in approximately the same build time as yours?
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Number on the lower tang is the serial number. Numbers on the left side of the tang are assembly or special order numbers. Nothing to do with the serial number.
It depends if it's a #2 or not with the serial number. If it's a #2 than it too is a very low early number. But if it's another model like a 1 1/2, or 4 then they had their own serial number range.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 29th, 2021 at 11:28pm
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Vall, I just assumed everyone would understand mine is a #2.  You know what they say about assuming anything!  Cheesy
  
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bobw wrote on Jun 29th, 2021 at 10:25pm:
I have never researched the number 2 and was not aware of the name Gem.  You have me curious about a gun I have.  It has the rotary extractor.  Mine has 206 on the outside bottom of the lower tang, like you would expect, but also has 396 stamped on the side of both upper and lower tang which I thought was strange.  Why wouldn’t they use the same number in both places?  I always assumed the 206 was the SN because it has 206 also stamped on the barrel.  So does this put my gun in approximately the same build time as yours?
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I agree with Vall. Yours is indeed a very low serial numbered #2. Yours is earlier than mine and almost surely falls into the "Gem" period. According to Marcot, this would be from the start of production in late 1872 until early 1873.  Please share photos of yours  Smiley
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 30th, 2021 at 8:23am
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I've got serial #842. I never knew about the knife blade extractor. This one has one. It is just marked 32 on the bottom of the barrel. The bore has a little rifling left but I doubt it would be very accurate. It is in typical condition for a 150 year old well used tool.
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 30th, 2021 at 8:41am
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Deadeye Bly wrote on Jun 30th, 2021 at 8:23am:
I've got serial #842. I never knew about the knife blade extractor. This one has one. It is just marked 32 on the bottom of the barrel. The bore has a little rifling left but I doubt it would be very accurate. It is in typical condition for a 150 year old well used tool.


Yours was likely made within a few days of mine  Smiley
Please post some photos!
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 30th, 2021 at 10:28am
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Steve, I can post pictures of my rifle but this is your thread.  Do you want me to post them here or start a new thread?
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Reply #11 - Jun 30th, 2021 at 10:33am
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bobw wrote on Jun 30th, 2021 at 10:28am:
Steve, I can post pictures of my rifle but this is your thread.  Do you want me to post them here or start a new thread?
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Either way, but I dont mind seeing them here.
  
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Re: Very early #2 Remington rolling block
Reply #12 - Jun 30th, 2021 at 11:13am
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Here are several photos of my gun serial number 206.  Unfortunately the gun is totally disassembled currently so I do not have full length photos of it but hopefully these will show what condition it is in.  It is generally a nice rifle but does have a cracked frame at each corner just behind the rear of the hammer. Caliber is 38 rimfire.  It is not currently being restored but only used as an example for another gun that is in process.  But, my intent was to restore it but now I'm questioning that thought!
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 30th, 2021 at 11:14am
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Reply #14 - Jun 30th, 2021 at 11:16am
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More photos including the disassembled rotary extractor details.
  
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