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38-55 Plated Ballard...moved from Collecting
May 2nd, 2021 at 1:48pm
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Since we are more into discussing 'smithing issues with this rifle, I am taking the thread from Collecting Single Shot Rifles to the Gunsmithing section.

Regarding the excessive depth of the rim recess, it looks to be about 15-18 thousand.   

As is mentioned in a previous post, I have a so-so 32-40 barrel that I replaced on my other Ballard that I have been thinking about trying some larger diameter bullets in to see if it will shoot more consistently than it did when I first was using it.  I am going to see if I can remove the 38-55 barrel and install the 32-40 and at the same time see how the 30-30 Wesson indexes.

All this fooling around keeps me off the streets. Smiley

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Reply #1 - May 2nd, 2021 at 1:58pm
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You might have some work cut out for you that could surely keep you off of the streets for just awhile. If either of those two barrels do not clock up and fit but that is also the challenge of why we do what we do. Hopefully neither of them get to the point of having the need for a chambering reamer that will actually match the existing.
  

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Reply #2 - May 2nd, 2021 at 3:40pm
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John,

I enjoy the challenge but don't always have the skills.  The 32-40 barrel lacks 1/2 a turn to clock up and I think I can get it to fit with a bit of lathe work.  I will have to take 25 thousand or so off the back end of the barrel and recut the rim recess at least if not the chamber.  I do have a 23-40 reamer.
The 30-30 Wesson barrel clock up perfectly and the forend even fits perfectly.  I will have to find an extractor and fit it.  Now I have 5 choices.
1. 38-55 as is with new firing pin
2. 32-40 bbl machined and reamed
3. 30-30 Wesson barrel with extractor fit
4. Rework 38-55 barrel to eliminate the rim recess excess
5 Shoot it in 38-55 as is

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Reply #3 - May 2nd, 2021 at 3:54pm
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Jack, a friend had this challenge with a new barrel and solved it by cutting a larger recess and filling it with a soldered in over depth brass ring and recutting the rim recess in the ring to the correct depth. Worked out fine.
  
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Reply #4 - May 2nd, 2021 at 4:42pm
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Just goes to show you that there is more than one way to skin a cat.   

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Reply #5 - May 2nd, 2021 at 6:06pm
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bpjack wrote on May 2nd, 2021 at 4:42pm:
Just goes to show you that there is more than one way to skin a cat.  

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I tend to use a 6” curved boning knife when I skin cats, though there often not worth skinning as they have large holes in them
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Reply #6 - May 2nd, 2021 at 6:15pm
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" Jack, a friend had this challenge with a new barrel and solved it by cutting a larger recess and filling it with a soldered in over depth brass ring and recutting the rim recess in the ring to the correct depth. Worked out fine. " 

What about the taper in the case itself did he also correct for it? If not what would happen to the un-tapered area probably in the area of the web or possibly even beyond it. Does one think it would still remain the same or to possibly start a separation of the unsupported area of the case over time or possibly causing other unknown issues. In short is this actually the way one would have a gunsmith to do it for yourself and then to hand it down to somebody else? Or more importantly you having unknowingly purchased it for yourself.
  

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Reply #7 - May 2nd, 2021 at 6:31pm
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I am finishing up a new firing pin for option 1 and have a line on a few Wesson cases to try that barrel.

The new pin is ready but probably a bit too long.  Still needs hardening a bit.

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Reply #8 - May 2nd, 2021 at 7:18pm
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Over thinking it, John. It was a straight case and the brass insert was hardly thicker in the barrel than the original rim (certainly no thicker than the web) and, he had the reamer.
  
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Reply #9 - May 2nd, 2021 at 8:30pm
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I'm certainly not the last word but I think you're making a huge mistake with the longest firing pin wia chamber that is too deep.
It will indeed make it fire and when it does, the brass in the front 2/3rds will grip the chamber walls and the base of the brass will slam back against the face of the block.
It can potentially cause a case head separation.  It's also possible that your firing pin will be proud of the breach face which could cause a slam fire if the case hangs up and the block is camming it forward.

Set the barrel back a thread, rechamber it correctly and with a little file work, you can reuse your existing extractor.

Just my 2 cents.
  

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Reply #10 - May 2nd, 2021 at 9:35pm
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The new pin has been installed and as I suspected is considerably shorter than pictured.  It does not drag on an unfired case but, at least with just a primer, it drags on the primer that has backed out just slightly.  I will fire it a bit as is but don’t expect any major issues.  I doubt I will leave this rifle as a 38-55 with barrel anyway. 

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Reply #11 - May 2nd, 2021 at 11:06pm
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Why don't you make a shim washer to take up your headspace and JB weld it into place put some lube on the case and a little in the chamber and face of breechblock ,  rim recess absolutely clean &washer clean before adding the JB weld,  probably leave the extractor out of the action.
As you have a chamber reamer you could just put some JB weld in the rim recess  let it harden and ream to the depth you need.
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Reply #12 - May 2nd, 2021 at 11:47pm
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LD1,  Good suggestion.  I have a 32-40 reamer that could cut the rim recess.

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Reply #13 - May 3rd, 2021 at 9:51am
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Face off the Breechblock ? 
Now the 30 Wesson barrel would have excessive head-space and the breech block altered. Best way is to just do it right and set the barrel back one turn.
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Reply #14 - May 3rd, 2021 at 10:22am
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John, he said put some lube on the face of the breechblock so the JB Weld wouldn't stick to it.
  
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