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Drill & Tap tang 10/32 advise
Apr 28th, 2021 at 9:06pm
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I am installing a MVA # 133 tang sight on a Marlin 336A about 1952 vintage . Its the simplest lightest  tang sight, vernier no windage adjustment no elevation leade screw. Intended to mount through the guns tang screw hole rear, drilled and tapped 10/32 front of the base. Marlins have one buttstock  screw. It pulls the tangs together tightened, very strong screw substantial slotted head. Critical for sound buttstock  mount.  Screw furnished with the sight has a smaller head & not up to the job.

So I plan to attach with two 10/32 screws from MVA one front of the base one rear head sizes are correct for the sight base.  Not as strong as through tang but strong enough rifle only used on the Silhouette range.

Plan to set the action up the  mill well clamped,level & square, center punch the holes with quality punches small to larger using a magnifying visor. Not concerned with the set up or lay out.

Drill in the mill starting with a center drill then twist drill to size.   Tap same set up using a spring loaded follower punch indexed end of the tap wrench. Have done a lot of taping same methods but this one is critical, small & the tang probably hard. To date critical small tapping  jobs Scope-blocks etc have sent out to real gunsmith.

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Tap set I have is a HS Steel Brubaker old but unused. Taper plug & bottom. Think the HS Steel tap  set us up to the job or should I buy carbide.

Plan to buy the correct drill, Machinery’s Handbook calls for drills from .156 to .166 depending on the class  1B 2B 3B. Have no idea what class this job is. What size should I be using. Probably get screw drill length for stiffness, again should I buy carbide or HS Steel. My though is HS Steel taps less likely to snap off in the hole although well set up generally prevents breaking  

Most times I lube with Tap Magic backing often and blowing chips with the air hose. Big jobs usually use same spindle oil as the lathe .

Any and  all advise appreciated  

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Re: Drill & Tap tang 10/32 advise
Reply #1 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 9:39pm
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Hi Boats, I would use a #21 drill .159", screw machine length, split point, hi-speed steel is fine, cobalt better. No need for carbide. Your taps will be fine if sharp. I drill those holes, and just change the drill bit for the tap (clamp tap in drill chuck) and turn the chuck by hand to tap. Don't move the set-up. That way tap is looking right down the hole without potential for misalignment. If it gets too hard to turn, loosen the chuck and put your tap wrench on, it should be started plenty straight by then. I would be very surprised if the tang is too hard to drill or tap.
  

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Reply #2 - Apr 29th, 2021 at 9:58am
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Why not just do it as Marlin did? Two 8-40 screws spaced 1.125" apart in standard Marlin spacing used on everything they ever tapped for a tang sight?
Are you using a MVA sight with a non Marlin spacing? And if you move it forward you need to watch out for breech bolt travel! MVA Marlin sights are designed with the staff pivot point moved rearward to avoid the bolt hitting the sight. So moving it forward defeats their design.
  

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Reply #3 - Apr 29th, 2021 at 4:14pm
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Side anecdote: Good juju in that old Brubaker tap. It could be one my Dad made as he was a tool and cutter grinder for Brubaker in Millersburg, PA. (Part-time evenings after work he also jumped next door to Brubaker's and did some side work for the Miller Single Trigger Co.)
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 29th, 2021 at 5:12pm
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If you're setting it up in a mill, no need for center punching. Better off not, actually. Dial it out, split point stub drill as recommended already, very light pecks until you get a divot going.

If it feels hard drilling it, you might want to go up a couple sizes before tapping. .166 is no problem. It's steel, and possibly heat treated to whatever extent. You're not going to strip a thread in it. And depending on who you believe, that's the proper size for a 10-32 anyway, if you go off the formulas in Machinery's Handbook.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 29th, 2021 at 5:42pm
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Thanks all

I like the idea run the tap in the drill chuck hand turned. Not what I usually do but can see advantages over tap wrench and spring loaded center. Have ordered # 19 20 & 21 screw length split points from McMaster, will try a couple in scrap & see what fit I like best.

Another departure from my usual is dialing in the center. Can do that with a indicator, probably mark the spot way  I usually do then dial in & see if I hit the same mark. & take Mikes advise on cutting oil.

You guys have to consider I was a Mariner not a Machinist & need all the advise you have to offer.

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Reply #6 - Apr 29th, 2021 at 6:53pm
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Boats, just remember to plug all the holes so she won't sink;-)
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 29th, 2021 at 7:31pm
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Once you know the center and you might still be off abit. Use a center cutter and you can easily change it without it drifting off.
  

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Plugging holes so they wouldn’t sink used to be my business !

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Reply #9 - May 13th, 2021 at 7:07am
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Set up & ready to drill when the screws arrive from MVA. The issue with this rifle Marlins not all the same. Early 336 tangs have some “spring” stock slips in loose tangs squeeze as tightened, tang screw hardened with a large head. Most tang sight screws not up to the job. So Dill & tap to fasten without using the tang screw.

Everything’s solid & true indicator & thickness gauge run under a drill rod in the chuck.

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Re: Drill & Tap tang 10/32 advise
Reply #10 - May 13th, 2021 at 10:03am
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Since Marlin never used the stock bolt or screw to mount tang sights, your setup is correct for a Marlin. Marlin always used 1.125" spacing from the early Ballards rifles up until they quit D&T the top tangs for sights.
  

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Reply #11 - May 26th, 2021 at 5:53am
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Proper screws came in Monday’s mail, drilled and tapped yesterday. Came out perfect. Key to it and any mill work is good set up, level square & solid. Advise from you guys on correct drill was valuable. I did drill & tap couple trial holes in the fixture block to check the fits before going to the guns tang.

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