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Reply #30 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 10:12am
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Great project, glad I got to meet you/chat at the Tulsa show.
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Reply #31 - Jul 12th, 2021 at 12:13am
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It's been a while since I've spent any time with this project, had a weekend away from work and some down time Smiley, a chisel a scraper and a rasp...   
Don't have the breech block quite fit in yet but it's coming along, I'll share pictures later.
  

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Reply #32 - Jul 12th, 2021 at 7:30am
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Greg, what was the reason Ballard used such a large and complicated tang when a simple through bolt would work?
  
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Reply #33 - Jul 12th, 2021 at 9:29am
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Bob,
The reasoning behind the tang is it provides a point for the breech block's toe to lever against.  If one was to try and broach this surface in the action the Ballard would become even that much more difficult to make...  I believe Vall's comment that the Ballard is weaker but neater is a very valid comment.  The Ballard has two points - the toe and the back that the lever and link cause a camming action for lock up.  At the same time, the short angled section has to make contact to serve as a recoil surface.  Getting these to all come together at the same time is quite a process.
  

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Reply #34 - Jul 12th, 2021 at 9:31am
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Those are really poor pictures explaining the process, I'll try to get some better ones later.
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Reply #35 - Jul 12th, 2021 at 10:23am
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The size and shape of the tang also help support and align the stocks on Ballard actions. Unfortunately the large size near the receiver also meant the wood was thinner, so the common "Ballard cracks" are the end result of the design after 100+ years of use.
When I build new stocks for a Ballard I relieve the inside tang area enough so I can coat it with Acraglass, or bedding compound, to help support the inside of the stocks in hopes of avoiding the cracks. But since they take so long to happen, no telling if my method will work in my lifetime?
  

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Reply #36 - Jul 12th, 2021 at 11:27am
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As Greg said, the Ballard is a well balanced design.
The firing load is reacted by the shoulder and the toe of the breech block and results in almost no load on the linkage.
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Reply #37 - Jul 12th, 2021 at 12:21pm
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I've encountered several arguments from folks that tell me what I'm posting here is totally incorrect and that the breech face is what makes the lock-up.  What I have discovered is when the lock-up is correct, a head-space exists, I prefer .002-.003" in most cases (pun intended) - the barrel doesn't make contact with the breech block.
In my attached sketch, layout of the surfaces is the challenge.  One thing I have discovered in studying several Ballards, mostly Marlin's and a couple of Cody's, the point of contact that the majority have at the back is a very small point where the recoil lug and the back meet.  I do have a very nice vintage #9 forged receiver that when I checked the contact point on this, the recoil lug area made full contact but the contact between the breech block and the action at the "back" point, was almost 3/4" long.  This rifle closes up and snaps very nice.  I attempt to make all of mine follow this model now.
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I agree with you on the use of acraglas.  A couple of my builds I chased wood to metal contact - and succeeded.  As they aged and are used there are some issues developing.  I now use a thin layer of glass and they seem to be as tight and secure as the day I did the bedding job.  Glass is inert, while the wood is in a constant state of change - my blanks were still 20+ years old but still have some movement...
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Reply #38 - Jul 13th, 2021 at 10:43am
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Greg, you are bringing up an important point that I had not considered, Thank you.
Don't think the back plays a role in reacting firing loads, but is important for lock-up.
Another unique Ballard feature.
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Reply #39 - Jul 13th, 2021 at 11:53am
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Greg, we have had some email conversations on the lockup and I still have been a bit confused.  The light came on while looking at the pictures and have a much better idea on it now.  Thanks.  Too bad there is not a cutaway of a Ballard that would show the lockup.
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Reply #40 - Jul 13th, 2021 at 11:55am
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I've owned a number of rifles that the headspace seemed to have zero interference without a cartridge in the chamber, but with a cartridge chambered they had a couple thousandths crush. So I think there's merit to the idea that the breechblock doesn't have to contact the breech face.
  

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Reply #41 - Jul 13th, 2021 at 1:51pm
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Vall, that is the way I had always done it.
Greg's comments were like a lightbulb, saying "hey, you dummy".
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Reply #42 - Aug 13th, 2021 at 1:07pm
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It's been a while since I've found time for this project so here's a little update.
The receiver I found didn't have any parts so I've had to make and determine what things look like.  I had another Brown? in somewhat working order, the trigger was missing but after studying it, I'm not so sure that it was from a Brown but maybe a Merwin and Bray that didn't have the screw in tang?  Anyway the Marlin style of breech block I make won't fit - the tail end jams up in the tang and the whole breech block appears to be about .250" too long.  So rather than start hacking on a perfectly good breech block I made, I decide to rough out another.  This one is equivalent to half of a breech block - gives me some room to see what's transpiring.  It's finally fitting in and the lever goes to the closed position, snapping,  yet I still have the pin for the lever to snap on to also.
  

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Reply #43 - Aug 13th, 2021 at 1:19pm
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I've made a little progress on shaping the wood and last night before I called it a day, I threaded the barrel blank and have it fit up.  This is another Shilen blank, 1:10 ratchet rifling, 4 groove for the 22rf.  I'm going to turn the barrel to a slight taper full length round, except for a short Rigby flat on the top at the receiver end.    I've pondered leaving a lump at the muzzle end to elevate the front sight slightly and make a small integral ramp... somewhere I have a Beech style windage adjustable front that may look good here.  Another photo shows a base (Robbins style) with my intentions.
  

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Reply #44 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 7:57am
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Greg, How do you use a 3-jaw chuck for threading a barrel? Mine are certainly not that accurate.
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