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Re: Striker Brown Ballard
Reply #15 - Apr 17th, 2021 at 11:00am
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bobw wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 10:24am:
Greg or someone, please explain the external extractor.  Or, show some pictures if you have some.
Bob


The external extractor used on pre Marlin Ballard rifles, and the very earliest Marlin 0 models, was situated at 6 o'clock under the barrel at the chamber. It extended out the front of the receiver, and the forearm has a metal insert the extractor arm travels in. An operating knob extends below the forearm wood and is grasped by one finger to push it back after the action is opened. It's spring loaded to return on it's own.

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Reply #16 - Apr 17th, 2021 at 12:53pm
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Greg, thanks for the pictures. It will be fun to see as you build this.

Val, thanks for the link, interesting read....and gun.
  

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Reply #17 - Apr 17th, 2021 at 12:54pm
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Greg, Appreciate the stock pictures. Trying to design one for the striker and keep getting canoe paddles.
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Reply #18 - Apr 18th, 2021 at 8:53pm
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Hmmmm...never paid attention to manual extractors before....now I see them everywhere!!
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Reply #19 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 8:08am
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Wow very neat project.  I'm really intrigued by the new breech block.  I'd love to hear more details about it.
  
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Reply #20 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 11:15am
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ndnchf wrote on Apr 19th, 2021 at 8:08am:
Wow very neat project.  I'm really intrigued by the new breech block.  I'd love to hear more details about it.


Steve,
I did a post a while ago on my version of a Striker Ballard, but here's the short of it...
I'd seen a few photo's of striker's in this action and was somewhat intrigued by them.   Then an individual had posted pictures of his recently acquired Worn/Hubalek on here.  I jokingly mentioned to him he ought to take his apart and share some pictures of the innards with me as I wanted to make one...  His comeback was "I have rifles from the 60's that shoot well and I've NEVER taken them apart, this one shoots very well- do you think I'd take this one apart!!!???"  Grin Grin
Sooo... with a little help from Solidworks modeling, and a lot of help from my son, we started throwing things together that would fit in the confines of the space allowed by a Ballard breech block and would function like a true striker system.  I use a CNC mill to rough the basic design but the larger part of this build is done on a manual mill-and by hand.  If I had 4th and 5th axis on my machines I'd probably do more with the modern equipment but I'm cheap that way and struggle justifying it for the everyday work we do. 
Here's an early sketch of striker we made.  This one didn't work but by the 3rd or 4th version we had it shooting.  I'm on the 5th or 6th version of it now and four breech blocks/rifles completed and four more in the works.  For sale? none.  Sad
I did a patent pending on the design but there isn't a market that justifies chasing a patent, JMO.
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Reply #21 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 9:01pm
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That is really neat, amazing work!  Thanks for sharing.
  
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Reply #22 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 12:59am
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Spent a little time with the wood for this project tonight.  The wood blanks whimpering went to screaming but I had my ear plugs in while the duplicator was running so I couldn't hear it...
(for Tony's benefit  Grin)
Trying to decide on the butt plate material, but another twist I came up with - the knob for the manual extractor - the elk teeth ivory I've collected from the past decades - may have found a use for one of them besides cuff links or some other piece of jewelry I'll never use  Cheesy
  

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Re: Striker Brown Ballard
Reply #23 - Apr 21st, 2021 at 10:21am
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Just spitballing here, but it seems like making up an external extractor for a 22 rimfire should be a lot simpler than the later factory type two piece rimfire extractor. As Vall said, it also has a strong, positive throw tha makes it work very well too.  Automatic extraction has become what we always expect, but the old fashioned way has much to recommend it.  Wink

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Reply #24 - Apr 21st, 2021 at 12:29pm
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I actually enjoy using the spring loaded manual extractor (on the right side of the barrel) on my Frank Wesson 2-trigger.
  
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Reply #25 - Apr 22nd, 2021 at 2:57am
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Froggie,  I agree, the only thing about the manual extractor is in the heat of competition with one's focus it's easy to forget to make the simple sweep that removes the spent casing  Grin  Not saying I ever do that, but I have a couple Ballards I shot matches with and a Wesson that I've used for rodents.
I drilled the butt stock for the through bolt tonight, compared to some of the earlier ones I've done, this one went easy on the nerves.  Maple does seem to cause the drill to wander a little, not quite as nice to drill as a piece of English but real close.  Then a little time found to make the bolt so it's showing some progress.
In the past, for the tang fit I've always step drilled the wood and then used a round rasp to fit the tang, I'm changing things up and going to make a reamer.   Wink 
  

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Reply #26 - Apr 22nd, 2021 at 8:42am
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Greg, I don’t remember which size of Morris taper reamer to use but one matches the Ballard tang pretty well. Just a thought.
  
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Reply #27 - Apr 22nd, 2021 at 12:09pm
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#2 morse or a small bridge reamer fits but it still takes a little more fitting.  Wood isn't real nice to my good reamers though.  A little heat treat and finish grind- should be functional tonight...
  

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Reply #28 - Apr 23rd, 2021 at 10:50am
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Just a little more ho-hum stuff.  Was able to work the tang over a little bit but there is still a bit more fitting to go.  My little slotter has a different action set up in it that I didn't want to tear down so to square up the toe fit I used the quill in the Bridgeport to broach.  Here's a few pictures as it progressed.
  

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Reply #29 - Apr 23rd, 2021 at 8:17pm
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Gittin' er done!

Thanks for sharing GT Smiley

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