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no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Apr 6th, 2021 at 10:13am
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Newly acquired Ballard doesn't half cock. It appears to me that the 1/2 notch catches on the linkage to work properly.   How do you determine if the linkage is the problem, the hammer is the problem or there is a rift in the mystical union of the two?    It is on a DST hammer.  It will be next week before I  get a chance to tear it apart.  So  I'm reading up and gathering info.

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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #1 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 10:54am
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Could be a sear, or a hammer notch wear issue. But could easily be just crud built up over time and causing the sear to hang up and not engage the hammer notch. Or the sear spring is weak. But if it holds in full cock, I'd lean towards a worn half cock notch, or dirt. Since it's a set trigger gun you can't hold the trigger forward to see if it caught the notch like a single trigger can. So you'll need to split the block and see what's up inside.
  

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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #2 - Apr 16th, 2021 at 8:22am
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Opened it up this morning and compared it to one that works.  The sear of the inoperable one is  1/16  shorter than the  working one.  It was easy to see  once you had them side by side.    On the good one, the hammer fly causes the hammer to "rebound" just enough to take pressure off the firing pin.  Lacking that extra 16th, the hammer just sits on the  firing pin.  So,   how to fix the tip end of the  sear?  


I switched the sears and the longer one  fits so securely in the hammer notch as to render the dst useless.  The firing trigger doesn't hit with enough force to release hammer.  If I really squeeze it, it works.   I smell some physics here, I don't like it.
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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #3 - Apr 16th, 2021 at 9:09am
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It sounds like you need a good Ballard gunsmith. Steve Durren is one of the best. He knows Ballards inside and out.
His contact info is listed on this forum.
  
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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #4 - Apr 16th, 2021 at 9:57am
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If you know a good welder guy with a tig welder he can easily build up the missing amount, and then you can stone it down to fit. A hard weld isn't easy to stone, but it also wont need to be re-hardened afterwards.
I've got a young welder I use for a lot of tig welding repairs on old guns, and old cars. He does them usually while I wait.
  

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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #5 - Apr 16th, 2021 at 5:37pm
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For sear and hammer welding I have been using piano wire with the tig torch. It machines with carbide but is a little hard to file. Hard surface on hammer and trigger makes for a lighter trigger pull.
  

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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #6 - Apr 16th, 2021 at 6:13pm
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My 25-20 SS Ballard doesn't have a halfcock notch. I removed it. Didn't want it, still don't want it.   Smiley
  

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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #7 - Apr 16th, 2021 at 11:32pm
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Alan,I would be happy to work on it for you. I love working on Ballard 's.
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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #8 - Apr 16th, 2021 at 11:37pm
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If you're going to be at the 22 matches you could send it to me with  Mike  Creager .I could bring it back to the spring centerfire match.
  
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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #9 - Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:56am
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westerner wrote on Apr 16th, 2021 at 6:13pm:
My 25-20 SS Ballard doesn't have a halfcock notch. I removed it. Didn't want it, still don't want it.   Smiley



On mine, the firing pin stays out.   Seems to me it would rub on the primer when you close the breech block.   Obviously, I don't have it up and running yet, but that doesn't seem safe to me.   i could be wrong,  I was once.  Grin


Lee, I'll switch some sears around to see if I can find a good one, if I don't get it done locally,  I'll send it with Mike
  

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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #10 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 7:37pm
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When the lever is lowered the link pushes the hammer off the firing pin. Cannot drag on the primer.

Target rifles don't need a halfcock. Back when I made that 400 yard shot on that prairie dog with Chuck, I didn't put a round in till I was ready to shoot.
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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #11 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 8:15pm
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I have occasionally found one that might have the firing pin hang up in the primer indent, or on an empty chamber as you lower the lever. Usually any elevation of the muzzle allow the firing pin to slip back as the lever is opened though.
  

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Re: no 1/2 cock on Ballard
Reply #12 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 8:47pm
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That could happen but a halfcock wouldn't prevent it.  I never had one stick in a primer. Now Hepburns............  Angry
  

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