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Re: Rechamber a 25 RM to 25-20 SS?
Reply #15 - Apr 5th, 2021 at 3:22pm
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I had John Taylor change the breach block to center fire and chamber My Stevens M-44 25 rim fire to 25/20 winchester...Now everywhere you read the bore of the 25 rim fire is .251 well I actually slugged my barrel and it was a nice .2575. I believe the information in Cartridges of the World was published incorrectly on the first edition and it was never changed. i dont know why the 25/20 single shot would not work but cases are expensive. I shoot the 257420 bullet with real good results. I drilled tapped and mounted a Malcomb 3x scope and it shoots better than i expected. forgot to mention i also put new wood on it. When I load ammo i am not after great power all i need is enough to penetrate  both sides of one sheet of paper a pinch of powder and a bit of lead and i am in high cotton. Cbashooter and i spent an afternoon punching holes in paper and bug hole groups were common at 25 and 50 yards. Much of the load data in COW is a bit on the high side if you use it for reloading data use caution   Joe G in Washington state getting as liberal as the other Washington
  

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Reply #16 - Apr 5th, 2021 at 4:24pm
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Just a thought here. Why not go with 25-20 Winchester center fire?  Brass is easier to come by and dies don't cost a fortune. 
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Re: Rechamber a 25 RM to 25-20 SS?
Reply #17 - Apr 5th, 2021 at 10:45pm
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The. 25-10 is the same case dimension as the. 25 rimfire long. 
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Reply #18 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 9:03am
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There was an article in The American Rifleman back in the 30s called “A Slow Twist .25-20,” where somebody chambered a .25 Rimfire barrel to centerfire.  (It’s in my files somewhere; can’t remember if it was a Stevens or a Winchester single-shot rifle.)

As I recall, the operation was successful.  This was back in the day when velocity-crazed wildcatters we’re stuffing powder into every old case (as well as forming new ones), and up there on the list was the .25-20 SS, which (in strong rifles) was being souped up and used with the 60-gr JHP to make a sort of scaled-up .22 Hornet.

Your project should go as well.  All the .25 rimfire barrels I’ve had were shot-out horrors, and eventually were relined, but I never saw the 0.251” groove diameter either.

If you load the Ideal 257420, you will have a nice walking-around rifle that should shoot well out to 125 yards or so, and noticeably flatter than the standard 85-gr bullets.  Your 044-1/2, with its skinny barrel, is not going to be a 200-yard benchrest gun anyway; use it the way the factory intended and you’ll do fine.

I’ve tried the souped-up loadings in one of my relined barrels, and they don’t really get you much.  There are other hot .25s, better suited, and it’s hard to find the 60-grain HPs the old ones were built around, anyway.  It’s a great cast bullet caliber; I’d recommend using it as such.
  
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Re: Rechamber a 25 RM to 25-20 SS?
Reply #19 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 10:08am
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Actually I'd be happy going with any cartridge/bullet combination that would work for converting a 25 rimfire barrel to centerfire.  Sounds like the first thing for me to do is slug the barrel to determine bore diameter.  And I wouldn't be against using the 25-20 Winchester if it panned out.  Thanks guys, I appreciate the discussion.
  
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Reply #20 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 11:05am
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The problem is Trying to figure out end use and expectations.

If you are not planning on shooting bullets over about 70 grains with moderate loads, which is about all the twist will handle, there is no reason to do anything more than convert the block to center fire.

With the 25-10 centerfire cartridge, smokeless powder and a cast 65 grain bullet, you have no problem hitting 15-1600 fps, while keeping a low pressure, low temperature load. You have reasonable accuracy and barrel life.

If you start hot rodding the load with jacketed bullets, you will likely end up with a shot out barrel in less than 1000 rounds. Unless it is a very pristine example, it's probably about halfway there now.

When you look at 25-20 load data, most of it is in the 8-10 grain range, and you back off that a bit due to smaller case capacity raising the pressure. So it fits the 25-10 case very well.

For what it's worth, factory smokeless loads for 25 Stevens Rf used only 4 grains of powder and velocity was about 1200 fps. Brass was the weak spot.
  
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Re: Rechamber a 25 RM to 25-20 SS?
Reply #21 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 10:31am
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Not looking to hot rod the barrel, just looking for what I can do with it.  The "use" will be dictated by that, but ultimately that will mean keeping it in the field and not in the closet.  I'm jut looking for what I can do with an old 25 Stevens rimfire barrel besides using it as a 25 Stevens rimfire.  Heck, since I started this post I've even considered having it re-bored to a larger diameter.
  
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Re: Rechamber a 25 RM to 25-20 SS?
Reply #22 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 11:57am
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A 044 1/2 barrel is rather lightweight, you might run into issues with the front sight slot if you want to re-bore it to a larger caliber. A 28-30 might be okay? Anything larger might run into the slot for the front sight. A 28-30 is a fun caliber.
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Reply #23 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 11:59am
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Good point and thanks.  Actually the 28-30 has intrigued me for some time.
  
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Re: Rechamber a 25 RM to 25-20 SS?
Reply #24 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 3:45pm
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with my m-44 that i had converted to 25/20 winchester i load with light charges of unique, sr7625 and like powders. between 3.9 and 4.5 gr. and the lyman 257420 bullet cast fairly soft and many without gas check.   I just looked up some chrono. data and shot 4.5 gr. of 7627 average 1497 fps with  11es. i dont use my chrono. very often as how fast a bullet is going is not what i am looking for. poking holes in paper or knocking off a sage rat
  

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Re: Rechamber a 25 RM to 25-20 SS?
Reply #25 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 4:51pm
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Bent_Ramrod wrote on Apr 6th, 2021 at 9:03am:
There was an article in The American Rifleman back in the 30s called “A Slow Twist .25-20,” where somebody chambered a .25 Rimfire barrel to centerfire.  (It’s in my files somewhere; can’t remember if it was a Stevens or a Winchester single-shot rifle.)


?????  As far as I can tell my .25 rimfires are the same 14 inch twist as the .25-20.  

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Edit:  Nope, I'm wrong.  In one of Stevens' catalogs they say the rimfire barrels are 17 inch twist.  But they also say that the .25-20 is 13 inch, and the ones I've tried to measure were certainly 14 inch.   I'll have to make a better-fitting jag tonight and try again.
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Reply #26 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 7:19pm
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I do apologize; looked through some of my files and couldn’t find the reference.  Don’t have the steam to wade through my four-foot shelf of disintegrating pre-war American Riflemans.  I remember that title and that article, though, if incompletely.
  
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Reply #27 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 7:57pm
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Sympathies, brother.  I've got 90% of all the issues from the very first to 1980.  I read every one years ago, but now I can't face even getting the storage bins out!!
  

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Reply #28 - Apr 7th, 2021 at 7:57pm
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I have or have had,
4, 25RF all 1/17, all .257
     Favorite, 44, 44 1/2

107, 25-21, 1/14

   44, 25-21, 1/12

  044 1/2, 25-20, 1/12

seems I need a 25-25 to round out the 1/4 bores Wink
  
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Re: Rechamber a 25 RM to 25-20 SS?
Reply #29 - Apr 8th, 2021 at 10:24am
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So after digesting all the great info you guys provided and after discussing it length with a good buddy it seems the most logical choice for my 25 rimfire barrel is the 25-10, or a 22-Hornet necked up to 25 caliber.  Given I got that one right.  My thanks again go out for all your help.
  
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