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1902 Low Wall found - firing pin not retracting
Mar 23rd, 2021 at 10:16am
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Hi, I bought this very nice 25-20SS Low Wall.  But the firing pin doesn't seem to be retracting, it's just "loose" and will flop back and forth as you tilt the muzzle.

I've been using unprimed brass to test the chamber/brass fit. 

When the hammer is down, and I try the lever, it's stuck closed.  The pin is obviously inserted in the empty primer pocket at that point, and the block cannot move until I cock the hammer.   

If the hammer is back (half or full), again the lever will be stuck IF the primer has moved forward into the primer pocket.  I have to lift the muzzle to get the firing pin to drop backwards, then the lever opens fine.   

When I remove brass have the hammer down in fired position and cock the lever, I see the block start to drop about 2mm before the hammer moves at all.  In other words, if the firing pin was in the primer dent, I don't see how the block would lower.  There is no movement of the firing pin back that I see, unless it's as the lever continues down.  But at that point, the gun would either be stuck, pin broken, or pin just naturally moves back a tad.

Is the action missing something? I really want to shoot this today!

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Re: 1902 Low Wall found - firing pin not retracting
Reply #1 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 10:47am
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Pop a few primers in the rifle and of course without any powder or bullets in the case and see if the cases easily eject.
  

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Re: 1902 Low Wall found - firing pin not retracting
Reply #2 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 11:01am
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I'd prefer to know what is going on before I do a test firing.  The low wall has a firing pin retractor.  It's not retracting.  No use risking the firing pin just to see if it will break or work.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 11:06am
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check the link to see if it's in backwards ken
  
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Re: 1902 Low Wall found - firing pin not retracting
Reply #4 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 11:56am
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Will do.  I plan on disassembly this afternoon.  I see it has a nub that is supposed to point rearward.  And be at the top of the two pin holes.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 1:02pm
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My concern was breaking the firing pin using an unprimed case.
  

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Re: 1902 Low Wall found - firing pin not retracting
Reply #6 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 1:21pm
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This may help;
  
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Re: 1902 Low Wall found - firing pin not retracting
Reply #7 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 1:35pm
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Firing a primer only will not break the firing pin. Dry firing on an empty primer pocket will.
  

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Re: 1902 Low Wall found - firing pin not retracting
Reply #8 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 2:01pm
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I believe firing on an unprimed case will not break a firing pin any more than firing on an empty chamber (dry firing).  But OPENING the block is a different matter.  I think we're all agreeing. 

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Re: 1902 Low Wall found - firing pin not retracting
Reply #9 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 2:23pm
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Broken firing pin.
  
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Re: 1902 Low Wall found - firing pin not retracting
Reply #10 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 2:58pm
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Why not try a primed case? I never dry fire any firearm, even modern guns it would not harm.
  
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Re: 1902 Low Wall found - firing pin not retracting
Reply #11 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 3:34pm
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Yeah, I went ahead and fired one primed case, worked fine, good primer dimple, extracted easily.  Didn't really eject, popped it out just enough to lay in the top of the block (which I like - it didn't eject it across the room).
  
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Re: 1902 Low Wall found - firing pin not retracting
Reply #12 - Mar 23rd, 2021 at 8:53pm
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cuslog wrote on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 2:23pm:
Broken firing pin.


Ah HA!  I think you got it!  I was looking at the block/lever/hammer assembly, and I can see the "nub" of the link is in the correct spot.  But WAIT!  there is no protuberance on the bottom of the firing pin. it's just round in back.  So the linkage cannot move it back!  

Thanks all.  I have a proper firing pin on order.   

Update: I test fired it with 4 rounds.  Seems very accurate just plinking and not messing with sight settings.  Nice fast feeling recoil and time to target. 
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