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Reply #45 - Mar 26th, 2021 at 11:07pm
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I snitched that sear spring idea from that video too....Made it out of a small hacksaw blade and it works a treat!
  
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Reply #46 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 1:30am
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John,
I'm going to do the soak in instant coffee for the Damascus following the ferric chl. and then finish with a nitre blue.  I've never tried to CC Damascus or should I say with any good results - I included a small piece once with a carbon pack and even at the sub-critical temps I case at - I had serious distortion - enough I barely recognized my sample scrap.  Maybe someone has had different results but I haven't been interested in trying it on something I have considerable time in.  A real light brown/blue from nitre looks good to me.  A real dark finish on the maple is what I'm chasing but I'm really procrastinating on the wood work.
Bluesman,
That's real close to the design I have in mind for my sear spring, thanks for sharing the pic.
   
I contemplated a cut like Winchester did their hammer fly for the fly in my tumbler but the more I drew and sketched it,  I discovered the cut a round cutter made wouldn't be feasible - thus the reason Sharps come in from the side and pin the fly from the inside...? Anyone try a different approach here? 

Chuckster, 
When you did double sets on your trapdoor what approach did you use for the fly?
  

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Reply #47 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 9:43am
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I copied the fly from inside my DST Ballard, put it on the inboard side of the tumbler so it would be less likely to wedge up against the lock plate.

So far after hardening things and cycling the lock it works fine.
  
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Reply #48 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 11:00am
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It appears the two back screws are not domed and more appealing to the eye than the front two. Which of the two would be the more original to the lock and is there a reason why they are different?
  

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Reply #49 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 11:41am
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Greg, E-mailing a set of drawings for the Trapdoor tumbler and fly.
The three notch fly is a little harder to get to work properly compared to a two notch fly.

Bluesman, That is a good looking lock with a suspended sear. 
Those small springs drive me nuts. Can't seem to get the heat treat right consistently.
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Reply #50 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 4:04pm
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The screws that hold the bridle have a small chamfer, maybe .020" while the one the sear rides on is a temporary fit while I decide whether to remove the head or finish it up...They are all 5-40 and it helps me avoid mixing them up when taking it apart etc.

The screws are let into the bridle .050" rather than try to do a counterbore which I would screw up, easier to just drop and end mill onto the bridle. The sear spring in that pic was a temp also while figuring out the proper one.As to the heat treat....I guess only time will tell , I dunk them in the lead pot to avoid overheating .

I imagine I will try to pretty things up in there before all is said and done.Like Chuck says, lockwork is a whole 'nother planet and I have been lucky so far....
  
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Reply #51 - Mar 27th, 2021 at 5:30pm
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Bluesman,
Nice clean job on the lock.  The last fly I did on a '74 I cut the wedge on the side next to the lock plate, I see you cut the wedge on the outside and captured the fly with the bridle - that works too.  I made my bridle fairly small with not much area for that capture, thinking I'd center slot the tumbler.  I'll go with plan B and capture it against the lock plate again...  Attached a photo with a little sketch done in paint on the drawing, my wedge cutout on the tumbler will be on the opposite side shown, up against the lock plate.  The fly will be made the same way the stirrup was made only with a pin stub out one side.
Chuck, the drawings are good, a lot like what I made a while back.  The three notch cuts on the tumbler is an interesting concept and I remember the Springfield having that extra cut, thanks for sharing it.
Amoretti, 
The instant coffee soak was something a knifemaker has told me about for quite a while, I just haven't tried it yet.
Now I just have to find time to get back to it - before I get distracted by something else in my spare moments...
  

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