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Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:03pm
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Some time back several of you agreed on ?'s method of stock finishing. It is seldom that several agree on such things, so the technique must be a good one. I have not figured out how to tag a conversation, so was unable to save it. I've always just used True Oil, but am open to a better method. What are your suggestions?
  

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Reply #1 - Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:15pm
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I remember a well known stock maker [Pissano??] wrote an article on hand rubbed oil finish for gun stocks.  I think it may have been in the Journal quite a few years ago.
If I am correctly remembering this, he used True Oil with Mineral Spirits to finish sand the stock.  Sort of a wet sanding approach.  25 years ago, my CPA turned out very well using his method.

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Reply #2 - Feb 27th, 2021 at 8:47am
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My CPA stocks came out well using the following method:
Lightly rub the stock with a damp rag after you have it ready for finish. Set it aside for several hours to dry and then lightly sand it with a fine grit sandpaper. This will get rid of the fine whiskers of wood that rise up when dampened. 
I use tung oil for the first two coats as it is rather thin and soaks deeply into the wood. Hormer Formbys brand I think. 
The next million coats (OK 10 or so) are rubbed in with Truoil.
If the air is dry I can get two coats done a day. After the first 5 coats of finish I will rub down the finish ( it must be dry) with a GREEN PAD made by 3M. This will keep the finish from building up on the surface as I am trying to get the finish INTO the wood and filling the pours and not just on the surface. Just a very small amount of Truoil is needed per coat. Depending on the weather the stock will be done in a week or so. 
Just my way of doing finishing.

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Reply #3 - Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:14am
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No "oil finish" will provide the same protection as a barrier finish will.

Proprietary oil finishes, TruOil, Formby's, etc., are nothing more than very thin viscosity wiping varnishes. Once the first coat dries, that's it- no more successive coats will penetrate beyond that. Thinning the stuff with solvents won't help matters either- the solvent will penetrate deeply, for sure, but it doesn't carry the solids with it. The "good stuff" in the finish will remain behind on the surface.

All in all, an "oil finish" is pretty, but lacks true protection against water fenestration. Ok for a safe queen that gets fondled occasionally but not good for a stock that will make lots of trips outdoors. At the very least, after oil finishing maintain a protocol of waxing with a good paste wax- therein lies at least a modicum of protection.

I normally just go straight to glossy spar varnish.*  8-10 coats, blocked out with 320x thoroughly between coats. Along about the 6th coat the pores in black walnut are finally filled level, then I go two to four more coats for good measure. Rub the final coat out with either rottenstone or oil-free 0000 steel wool to dull the glossy shine, then wax with a good paste wax to restore a soft glow/luster. Sounds like a lot of work, and it is, but top notch results don't come cheaply nor to the faint of heart in this man's world. Total mil thickness of the finish isn't huge, it won't look "piled on" because of the sanding between coats. I kid you not that a common response I get about my finishes is a claim that they are hand rubbed oil finishes- and I chuckle to myself, secure in the knowledge that I treated the wood to a far better finish than possible with oil.

When I do apply an oil finish I always start out with varnish to fill the pores, sanding back to the wood surface repeatedly until pores are filled, then proceeding with the oil. "Sanding in" an oil finish to fill pores is letting yourself open to shrinkage in the pores over time. But, I often figure that once I've gotten that far with the finish why am I not doing the Full Monty with varnish anyway?

* Glossy varnish provides much better UV protection than semi-gloss or matte. But any varnish has UV protection way better than oil which has little or none.
  
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Re: Stock finishing questions
Reply #4 - Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:24pm
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I like True Oil or Varnish. Heavy dark spar varnish. I use a little japan dryer to speed up drying. And I like my finish smooth glossy and highly polished. Final rub is rotten stone and axle grease.   

Stocks with a dull finish look like cheap Chinese furniture.  Why be modest, let it hang right out there and shine!   Smiley
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:44pm
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Agree Joe you pick out a real nice piece of wood and then you try to hide the depth and the true beauty of all of the nicely figured grain when done makes no sense to me at all.
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 27th, 2021 at 10:36pm
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I've only used Minn Wax Wipe On Poly for over two decades now. I used to use Laurel Mountain, but discovered WOP is pretty much the same stuff and much cheaper.
It gives a hand rubbed oil type finish, and like oil finishes it can be touched up easily. It also goes over almost any other finish with no bad effects.
  

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Reply #7 - Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:38am
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After final sanding i rub in one good Coat of True oil and set aside for a week then i use linseed oil.
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Reply #8 - Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:51am
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Just an observation on WOP, which works well, applied similar to gnoahhh.
Buy the smaller cans. Seems to lose some gloss after the can sits on the bench for several years.
Fresher stuff will hold its sheen after it is applied 
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Reply #9 - Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:12am
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Chuckster wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:51am:
Just an observation on WOP, which works well, applied similar to gnoahhh.
Buy the smaller cans. Seems to lose some gloss after the can sits on the bench for several years.
Fresher stuff will hold its sheen after it is applied 
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WOP comes in two sheens, gloss or satin. I prefer the gloss as it's easier to knock it down if it's a bit shiny, vs. trying to raise the sheen if it's too flat.
I wet sand coats after I get about 8 coats on new wood. Applying later coats and using 340 grit wet or dry emery cloth to the finish wetted with WOP. Then wipe off the excess against the grain.
Once I'm done with about 12-16 coats I let it dry for 3-4 weeks. Then using rottenstone powder on a damp rag I rub the stocks all over to get the finest finish possible. After that I rub in Minn Wax paste and buff the finish with a soft cloth to a nice sheen. Looks like the hand rubbed finish done in the 1800's and early 1900's rifles.
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:50am
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Not sure what type of finish CPA uses but I bought mine back in 1998 and it has a real nice piece of wood that shows the depth and the beauty of the figured wood. It has been used allot and after every outing and before I leave the range. I rub it and the complete rifle down including the Unertl scope with Ballistol and the wood still looks as good as the day I first got it. I also use JB and the Ballistol to clean my bore and I also run a patch of Ballistol down the bore to pre-lube it before shooting my first shot of the day. I also never use any type of brush to clean the bore but to just wipe it like one does to babies behind until it is clean. My original 32-40 barrel had over a 140,000 bullets down the bore when I set the ASSRA record back in 2013 and all though I never let the patch go out of the muzzle I have re-crowned it but one time. So I have proven to myself that the JB and the Ballistol alone has served me very well over the past 23 years and just something others might also want to try.
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:23pm
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I did these stocks with WOP maybe 2 decades ago? They have 14-16 coats, then rubbed with rottenstone. I wipe it down with OL West Snake oil as I do the whole gun after shooting.

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Reply #12 - Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:29pm
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Back in the day I used Flecto Varathane Oil. Multiple finger applied thin coats. Someone else makes it now and I don't know how it would be. I still have most of a quart so a little goes a long way. It has the look of an oil finish but the wood is sealed. Mostly now I use hand rubbed English red root oil for the good stuff.
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Reply #13 - Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:57pm
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I have been using boiled linseed on a custom muzzle loader for the past several months.  It's just as slow as always reported. I unusually use Tung Oil, much faster. Bear in mind hardly any of the commercial linseed or tung products have much of the original formula in them anymore.  They have synthetics.   I'd like to know what Stevens, Ballard, Winchester used in 1900, because if you have a well kept one, they will still look fantastic after 120 years.  Certainly it was some type of varnish or shellac or lacquer.  I don't agree with those that say "that's all they had" or "it doesn't protect in weather", especially since I don't carry my single shots out all day in the rain anyway.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:14pm
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One of the nice things about WOP is it's consistency. It's very watery, so the first coats applied instantly absorb into raw wood, which gives great penetration. But the early coats also dry very quickly, and the next coat can be applied soon after. Once it gets to about 4 coats it begins to saturate the wood enough that you have to wipe off the excess. At that point I switch to two times a day for about 4 more coats. Then once a day for the next 4-8 coats.
I always wipe off excess after each application, but the wet sanding between coats requires wiping anyway, so it's just part of each step.
  

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