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New Vernier sight user... where to start?
Feb 18th, 2021 at 1:47pm
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When my Rolling Block 45-70 returns from Lee Shaver with his sights newly installed, is there a standard protocol for starting out with a basic 405gr factory lead bullet load to get on paper at 100 yds?

I'm new to these type sights with the exception of a Stevens 414 that I got last year. It has a tang sight but was already set by the previous owner so that the first 22LR load I fed it hit the target and I've not changed anything yet.

The RB was bought from consignment sale and apparently the prev owner chose to keep the sights when he sold  the rifle.

32" heavy octagon barrel, nicely built by Mr. Shaver.

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Re: New Vernier sight user... where to start?
Reply #1 - Feb 18th, 2021 at 1:54pm
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What I usually do is situate the gun in a rest or well supported on sandbags, and then sight down through the bore and aim it at my target. Center the target in the bore, and then carefully adjust the tang sight so the sights have the target centered also. 
Once it's centered by bore sighting it, I'd add in 10 moa elevation for bullet drop at 100 yds. and give that a try. Should put you on paper, and then you can dial it in after that.
I keep a 36" wide roll of butcher paper in my shooting kit, and staple it up first, so the target can go over that. Then any misses still hit paper and allow me to see if I'm off the target too.
  

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Reply #2 - Feb 18th, 2021 at 1:55pm
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DJ If your Range has a 25 Yard Line just put up a standard repair center target and shoot at it. At that distance you almost cannot miss hitting it some where. And you
will be able to see the Holes with a naked eye. You then can adjust for Windage and elevation, adjust it for +2 Inches or so at 25 Yds. and you will be on a 100 Yd.
Target. Folks get all excited about having Zero right off to start. The reason we have adjustable sights is so we can improve once we are on the paper. FITZ.
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Reply #3 - Feb 18th, 2021 at 2:00pm
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Just like Marlinguy said but start out at 50 yards maximum and I sometimes go 25 yards.  You will have to have the rifle rested fairly sturdy as you need to have the sight folded down to look down the bore to align that with the center of the target, then carefully fold the sight up and adjust.  Then do it several more times until you are happy and touch one off.  I sometimes raise my head after sighting and watch the dust fly when I shoot to see if I am grossly off in any direction.  Tom
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 18th, 2021 at 2:55pm
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What kind of a front sight is Lee going to mount for you? It wouldn't surprise me if Lee doesn't have your sights set to a good spot when you receive it. He'll also include directions for making adjustments. It is a very nice looking rifle. Vall's 36 inch paper is a good idea to have on the backing when newly sighting or working with new loads. Lowe's, and I'm sure other large hardware stores, carry large rolls of "construction" paper and they are very inexpensive.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 18th, 2021 at 7:04pm
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Thanks for the input!

the sights will be:

rear = Super Grade Soule

front = P-H Series

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Reply #6 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 9:13am
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Match director Modern Rifle and BPCS silhouette have sighted in hundreds of shooters. I put a spotting scope on a close berm. 40 if rimfire 100 on our high power range. Pick a easy to identify spot. Clump of grass rock etc have them shoot two offhand & spot the strike. Then make the calculations & either ask the shooter to adjust to base zero distance or many times adjust the sight for them 

Two more at base, 200 CF 40 RF , then make final adjustment. Last fire two shots to confirm .  6 shots and zeroed, next shooter please. No time for paper or trips down range. Bench too cumbersome adjust chair rest etc 30 minute sighter period several need it & you want offhand zeros anyway.   

Leave them to zero alone couple of common errors. No spotter, adjust basis one shot, may be a jerked trigger. Working up the staff couple minutes at a time instead of dialing in correct right away. Not knowing the loads ballistics, not understanding angles or how to read a vernier sight.

Drill I recommend to new shooters do at home. Set the veneer at typical setting, then quickly move it up and down the staff and re set other distances . During a match shooting say , 45 Moa, see low strikes want to add 2 moa need to be able to move the dial to 47 without mistakes quick. Silhouette Chicken setting then Ram. Pig to Turkey just like in a match. Shoot off dial in selected target setting from whatever it was on .

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Reply #7 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 9:23am
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Here’s another moving windage wrong way. Easy to do screw adjustments not all the same . Scope, click American sight click German sight. Hammer and punch. Put your thumb on the sight & feel it’s movement. Should go the way you want the bullet to go.

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Reply #8 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 10:26am
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boats wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 9:23am:
Here’s another moving windage wrong way. Easy to do screw adjustments not all the same . Scope, click American sight click German sight. Hammer and punch. Put your thumb on the sight & feel it’s movement. Should go the way you want the bullet to go.

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Watching the index line seemingly move left while the sight is actually moving right still gets me occasionally Embarrassed
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 10:32am
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boats wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 9:23am:
Here’s another moving windage wrong way. Easy to do screw adjustments not all the same . Scope, click American sight click German sight. Hammer and punch. Put your thumb on the sight & feel it’s movement. Should go the way you want the bullet to go.

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Reminds me of when I bought one of my Ballard rifles years ago, and trying to adjust the Pope rings on the scope! I couldn't break the windage lock ring loose on the rear mount, and was afraid to force it. Soaked it for a day, and still couldn't break it loose. 
Then I looked through a copy of an old Pope catalog and noticed it referred to the windage knob being left hand threads to adjust like a typical iron sight would! Grabbed the knurled lock ring, and turned it backwards and it easily came free, and worked fine. Felt a little foolish, but was glad I didn't force it!
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 12:42pm
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My MVA Schuetzen tang sight was ass backwards from that of my scope. Never really did get used to it and it cost me a few matches along the way. Found myself always turning it the wrong way in a match and by the time I realized it to many points had already been dropped. If memory serves me right I believe it was Baldwin's that moved in the same direction as my scope.
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 1:21pm
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JLouis wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 12:42pm:
My MVA Schuetzen tang sight was ass backwards from that of my scope. Never really did get used to it and it cost me a few matches along the way. Found myself always turning it the wrong way in a match and by the time I realized it to many points had already been dropped. If memory serves me right I believe it was Baldwin's that moved in the same direction as my scope.


John, just checked a F Zika, MVA, Heilman, original Soule and Carver sight. They all turn the same direction.  What screwed me up a few times were the Central sights which are the opposite and one third minute clicks. I scored sevens instead of tens several times in HP matches. One would say just watch the hash marks but movement is almost discernible when moving a half inch at 200 yards.  Chuck used a white paint marker to mark his sight knobs for direction. 
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Reply #12 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 1:46pm
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I used to shoot Anschutz sights on the SB Prone gun Walther air rifles,   Lyman 48s and Soule Tangs are  Mike Stevens  & MVA. Plus couple of scopes 

Recipe for error until I came up with a system. When I first started shooting silhouette top shooter told me “ you will learn to hold the rifle, it takes time. Learn to avoid mistakes fastest way to improve”

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boats wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 1:46pm:
I used to shoot Anschutz sights on the SB Prone gun Walther air rifles,   Lyman 48s and Soule Tangs are  Mike Stevens  & MVA. Plus couple of scopes 

Recipe for error until I came up with a system 
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Anyone shooting an Anschutz sight Has turned it the wrong way.  I have done it several times in the same match. Nines hurt, eights kill you. 
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 4:32pm
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Joe I had to move onto making myself a tube sight as shown below. I incurred permanent partial eye loss and its like looking through a scope without any magnification. Tang sights are no longer an option for me I can longer see anything with any type of clarity.

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