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Reply #15 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 1:23pm
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Sorry John and Chuck was typing while you guys answered.  I feel you are both correct in you assumptions.  I just didn’t  want to get into the balancing of springs.
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Reply #16 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 1:28pm
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Chuck, on the Gun I am building I had to play with the spring tip and the rear trigger surface it pushes against to get the balance correct.
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 1:36pm
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JLouis wrote on Feb 17th, 2021 at 12:22pm:
Not sure but I think the gentleman is looking for help and not uncalled for unrelated remarks. Appears he is looking for several opinions that actually might fix his problem.


I don't agree. 
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Reply #18 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 1:43pm
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Bobw so were able to get it fixed? I have worked on several for friends and my own and was trying to point out some of the more common issues to start out with. Also the best way to adjust the set trigger is to back out the adjustment screw. Set the back trigger and then to turn in the adjustment screw until you see the front trigger starting to move back. You can fine tune from there but not by much if at all by turning the adjustment screw in a wee bit more. If you go to far just back it out a wee bit and that is about as light as you get the set trigger pull.
  

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Reply #19 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 2:20pm
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JMHO, Unset rear trigger should almost but not quite touch the cocked sear.
Inertia of the set rear trigger will trip the sear.
Still have to do some spring balance, but not as bad.
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Reply #20 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 2:45pm
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One of the issues I had in the past the spring wire putting download pressure on the back of the sear block finally broke at the attachment point. The replacements are now a flat spring and when I replaced it the hammer would stop at half c--k win being fired some of the time. So I added another flat spring on top of the other flat spring and problem was solved. Even tried bending the one flat spring to get enough downward pressure and it still did not work and this was on my own CPA.
  

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Reply #21 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 4:16pm
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JLouis wrote on Feb 17th, 2021 at 12:22pm:
Not sure but I think the gentleman is looking for help and not uncalled for unrelated remarks. Appears he is looking for several opinions that actually might fix his problem. Unfortunately he should have probably just asked for help and not by using the poll process. Also not unusual for someone not to know exactly what to call a particular part or the proper function of a combination of parts to make an individual system work.


John, did you miss the part about the ASSRA autocorrect here changing his correct post to "thingy"? I think the gentleman who started the this thread does know exactly what he means, and what it's called. But the forum's program changes C-OCK to "thingy" when he types the word without a hyphen in it as I just did.
  

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Reply #22 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 4:27pm
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Did not see that Val and the gentleman asking for assistance is someone I know and have shot with in the past and he has a match coming up. Was also not trying to be an ASS but trying to hopefully get his problem solved prior to his match coming up. So if I inadvertently hurt anyone's feelings that might have felt I was out of line that was not my intent but to help this friend out.
  

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Reply #23 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 4:54pm
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  The BOD will cork their hammers and see if we can't get this crappity smacking cocking thingy corrected. Grin

   PS: "crappity smacking" is a phrase I have never used or even heard. What I actually typed (just as an experiment) rhymes with mucking. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #24 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 5:15pm
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CBA Shooter,

Are your quickly answered calls to CPA or the president?

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Reply #25 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 8:07pm
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John, Yes I did get everything working.  In the original problem, the way I understood, was the gun worked as long as he set the rear  trigger.  In my experience that means the rear set trigger is contacting the sear when unset, which then will not allow the sear to engage the hammer notch. This is what Chuck was referring to when he said the unset rear trigger should not touch the sear.  The adjustment screw I believe you are referring to only comes into play with the trigger assembly set.  The only other mechanical issue, I could think of, was that front screw being tight,  binding the sear, as I think you brought up.  The reason I thought this is because when you set the rear trigger it moves the front trigger slightly and I thought possibly that movement freed the sear to move back into position.  The question, as he stated, with the issue is “it just started” so this is why I would question the spring balancing as the problem, why would it change.  That being said, he could check this in a couple different ways.  Simply loosening  the screw that retains the set trigger spring will take the pressure off and lower the front of the set trigger, this would only be to test the theory.  Or he could remove the spring and put shims under it which will accomplish the same thing more permanently.  Keeping in mind this is the balancing part of all this.  To tight, the sear will not catch the hammer notch or, to loose, and it won’t kick the sear hard enough to release the hammer.

I know, I got carried away but hope this helps someone.
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Reply #26 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 9:29pm
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Thanks Bob if one does not know where to look to find and to correct the problem it can become very frustrating. Especially right before a match and prior too it has been working just fine. Been there myself a couple of times or some of my friends and have thankfully been able to figure it out during or prior to a match.
  

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Reply #27 - Feb 17th, 2021 at 9:55pm
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I still am waiting to find out what a thingy is. 
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Reply #28 - Feb 18th, 2021 at 9:01am
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Lee just look down and then think in terms of Gun terms
  
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Reply #29 - Feb 18th, 2021 at 10:11am
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thingy=coc-k
  

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