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40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Feb 8th, 2021 at 10:13pm
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Does anyone know if the chamber reamer Shiloh Sharps uses in it's 40-65 is made by Pacific Tool and Gauge? If so, do the RCBS 40-65 Shiloh .408 dies work for this chamber?
  
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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #1 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 7:43am
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My 40-65 reamer was ground by PTG about 18 years ago, I ordered it to match Shiloh's reamer. My RCBS dies are marked "40-65 Shiloh Sharps .408". The reamer has a cylindrical neck of about .600 in length. The dies are made the same, Lyman and the standard RCBS dies have a straight taper from case mouth to the base of the web and will not chamber in the Shiloh chamber. Cody Ballard used the same reamer design in years past, I owned one of their 1885's in 40-65 and had to use the Shiloh dies in it as well. Others experience may differ.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 8:29pm
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S-S-Sam, thanks for your reply-I got the RCBS dies awhile ago and made some cases from 45-70 brass and liked the straight section to hold the bullet. Now am trying to find the matching reamer, seems everyone has a different 40-65.
  
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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #3 - Feb 10th, 2021 at 9:43am
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If it's the same chamber as Shiloh uses then you will likely be very happy with it.  I can tell you that the actual Shiloh chamber has a 2.5 degree ( per side ) and about a 0.050" freebore.  I have no straight section near the mouth in my Shilohs though.  With the Shiloh chamber those are the best dies to use.

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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #4 - Feb 10th, 2021 at 2:46pm
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Wondering how the .40-65 Ron Long compares to the .40-65 Shiloh chamber?
  
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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #5 - Feb 10th, 2021 at 8:29pm
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The Ron Long chamber is designed to use 45/70 brass sized down to 40/65 and not trimmed to 2.10. The case length for a Ron Long chamber is somewhere near 2.140"
  
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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #6 - Feb 10th, 2021 at 9:35pm
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Thanks to all for the replies-Gunlaker, The print I'm looking at from PT&G is called "40-65 Winchester Shiloh MFG." and it has two tapered sections. One from the front of the rim to a point 1.53" towards the case mouth, then another taper beginning at .435 diameter and ending at the case mouth with .432 diameter. So as you say not a straight section, but slightly tapered.
  
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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #7 - Feb 11th, 2021 at 12:49am
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The following are the chamber & bore dimensions of my Shiloh Sharps 1874 .40-65 which left Shiloh 10/2017:

Working from the chamber breech to the throat:
Rim seat depth (aka rim recess): 0.070”
Rim seat dia: 0.607”
Headspace (aka rimspace): 0.071”
Chamber base (web) dia. (in front of case rim): 0.502”
Chamber length (from front of case rim to case mouth): 2.040”
Overall case length: 2.111” (chamber length + headspace)
Chamber mouth diameter: 0.4325” (see note 2 below)
Chamber transition length: 0.013”
Chamber transition angle: 45.0 degrees
Freebore length: 0.025”
Freebore diameter: 0.4090”
Leade length: 0.075”
Leade angle: 2.5 degrees
Bore (land) diameter: 0.4005”
Groove diameter: 0.4070”
Land height” 0.0033”
Bore twist rate: 14.5:1

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1)      Bore: 14.5:1 right-hand twist, 6 lands & grooves, lands: 0.070” wide, grooves: 0.140” wide
2)      There’s no evidence of a well-defined neck.  I.e. the chamber has a uniform taper from the breech to the chamber mouth.  Starting in front of the rim seat the chamber diameter drops off (tapers) uniformly from 0.500” to 0.436” about ½” from the chamber-to-throat transition step, at which point the diameter reduction continues but at a reduced rate, diminishing another 0.0035” over the last ½”.

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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #8 - Feb 11th, 2021 at 1:03pm
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Deadeye - thanks for the notes on the Ron Long chamber... makes sense that it would be longer.
  
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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #9 - Feb 11th, 2021 at 2:03pm
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I have two Ron Long 40-65s and the correct custom RCBS dies. The chambers are longer and the bores are smaller than .408.  If memory serves, Rons barrels were .406.
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2021 at 7:39pm
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Ron's barrels were .408 and only Remington 45-70 brass could be used.  A tight chamber for sure.  Winchester brass would not chamber.
  

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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #11 - Feb 11th, 2021 at 10:50pm
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John Rigby wrote on Feb 11th, 2021 at 7:39pm:
Ron's barrels were .408 and only Remington 45-70 brass could be used.  A tight chamber for sure.  Winchester brass would not chamber. 


Yep, you're correct. My Winchester slugs at .408.  I've used Winchester brass however. Maybe I squeezed um down.  I know I used Winchester because I shot them till they wore out and replaced with Remington. 

My Ruger slugs .406 -7.
  

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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #12 - Feb 14th, 2021 at 8:03pm
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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #13 - Mar 17th, 2021 at 10:07pm
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Can someone share the PTG drawing for the 40-65 Win. Shiloh MFG. reamer or at least the drawing number? Getting ready to order a reamer and want to get the right one.
  
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Re: 40-65 Shiloh Reamer
Reply #14 - Mar 17th, 2021 at 11:14pm
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25cal wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 10:07pm:
Can someone share the PTG drawing for the 40-65 Win. Shiloh MFG. reamer or at least the drawing number? Getting ready to order a reamer and want to get the right one.


I suggest you call Shiloh & ask them if no one responds here with the information, or maybe PTG.

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