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Feb 2nd, 2021 at 8:40am
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Hello all,
     I could use some expertise from the wise ones here.  I'm thinking of building a highwall in 40-50 SS for shooting and hunting in Iowa, but it's a bit complicated.
     Here in Iowa, the DNR is a bit odd in how they view and allow deer hunting cartridges.  Up until now, they allow straight wall catridges up to 1.800" case length, plus a few "Grandfathered" ones like .45-70 and .444 Marlin.  2019 I harvested a deer with my .444.  2020 i used my .45-70.
     On the docket for 2021, they are proposing the same 1.800" length restriction, banning .444 and .45-70, and allowing .38-55 and .35 Rem.  So, my .444 and .45-70 are now potentially banned for hunting in Iowa.  I have a .38-40, .44/40, .38-55, and a .35 Rem.  It's hard to say how long these will be included, but the 1.800" length appears to be here for good.
     So, my plan right now is to build a .40-50 SS.  This is where i need the help.  Case length is 1.875", so I would need to trim to 1.800".  So my question is, could i use a standard length chamber, trim .075" off case length, seat bullets longer and still expect reasonably good accuracy and performance?  I've talked to a couple shops about reaming the chamber .075" shorter, but no one seems to want to do it.  I really want to continue shooting a Single Shot in a BPCR chambering, but my long term options appear bleak, unless i go with .38-40 or .44-40.  I prefer a rifle catridge to be honest.

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Reply #1 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 9:04am
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I would be checking if your modified 40-50 would still be legal if it’s not on there list of acceptable rounds. Myself I would go the 38-55, I have a hepburn in it I’m thinking of using.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 9:10am
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My suggestion is to wait and see what the regulations for allowable cartridges are in Iowa for next season. I think the dnr is going to hear an uproar on this, especially for not allowing the .45-70 and the .444 marlin, after many deer hunters ran out and bought new rifles after they first became legal. I don’t believe anything is set in stone on the regs yet.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 9:11am
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I do have a .38-55, but this could be one and done like the .45-70 and .444 Marlin.  Im not sure the DNR really thought this through.  They are arbitrarily including and excluding cartridges.  The only thing they are holding to is the 1.800" maximum case length, exclusive of the included cartridges.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 9:19am
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The bill that the Governor signed was supposed to expand the allowable cartridges... not restrict the existing ones, why the dnr is wanting to ban the 45-70 especially is beyond me.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 9:31am
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It seems to have been poorly thought out.  With the suggested changes, .38-55 and .35 rem are in.  .32 special and .30-30 are out.  Even the 1.800" length seems arbitrary.  The only cartridges that are close are .357 Max, .350 Legend and .450 BM.

I see the merit of limiting the allowable rifle rounds, given the number or accidents, especially with allowing party and drive hunting.  The state is laid out in 1 mile squares.  We have plenty of accidents and property damage with slugs and 200 yard guns.  High powered rifles would be a disaster in the making in my opinion.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 9:35am
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The standard chambering would make the rifle more liquid if you ever need to sell it.  Few people like to mess with oddball cartridges and wildcats.

If you shoot black or smokeless and grease groove bullets, seating them long to touch the rifling should give you all the accuracy needed for deer hunting.  Unless the game warden is running around the woods with a set of calipers, I would think the standard length shells would be close enough to the spirit of the law.  They have to be considering what a judge would think about a sixteenth of an inch difference.  Sort of like that 5mph over the speed limit the cops allow.

I have to say, this is one of the cleverest reasons to get a new gun I’ve heard in a while.  Te saludSmiley
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 9:45am
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Thanks for the replies so far.  Ramrod, i'm thinking along your lines.  However, if i build it, i would never sell.  I have stuff in my collection that my grandfather bought new in the 1920s.  I plan to hunt with a single shot rifle until i'm back in diapers, which God willing will be 40 years out or more.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 10:34am
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Three decades ago (before Starline began making .45-90 brass) many owners of .45-90 rifles used .45-70 brass with the bullet set out. These worked well for plinking and fed through an 1895 Marlin with no trouble.
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 10:40am
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50-70
1.75 case length
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 10:43am
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Sorry, but the .50-70 uses a bullet around .515 in diameter, Iowa limits the diameter to .500, so the .50-70 isn’t legal.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 11:14am
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You could have Manson grind you the chambering reamer you need and sell it to your gunsmith or to someone else and recoup most of your money. David Manson is extremely helpful in designing what it is that you actually want and need to abide by your states regulations all though it might be one of a kind per-say to fit your own personal needs.
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Reply #12 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 11:21am
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You could play it safe and build a .44 magnum. You could possibly build a .45-1.8”, and lengthen the chamber later to .45-70 if still legal, or just shoot shortened 45-70 to 1.8” cases in the .45-70 you have now.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 12:42pm
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Thanks again everyone!  Roght now this whole thing is in the planning and development stage.  I'm leaning towards a C. Sharps highwall or a CPA.  I just need to decide on getting a .40-50 reamer made to 1.800" length and building to that or staying with a standard reamer.  Right now I'm leaning towards the short chamber and calling it the .408 PCE (Plymouth County Express) or .408 Snotbubbler.  This should be a fun and pricey exercise.  I'll need to make a breech seater and get a mold for casting, plus try to figure out a jacketed and smokeless load.  This will keep me busy for a while.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 1:15pm
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why not short chamber the40?50 you could always chase it out to full length or even 40/60 maynard   ask john bly
  
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