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Jan 22nd, 2021 at 8:09am
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Has anybody here tried using Loctite Form-a-thread on miscellaneous screw threads that got stripped. This would be to keep the screw thread size original. I had a tang sight filler screw that was locked in it's hole on my Stevens Favorite and the tiny screw driver slot was torn out. The tiny filler screw was like this when I got the receiver. I decided to use a smaller drill and drill out the screw and re-tap the hole with a 5-40 tap to keep it original. I don't know if I did a poor drilling job or the tap was not exactly right but I found when I installed a tang sight the sight screw would tighten then let go. I didn't try to tighten the screw real hard but it would just kind of let go. I want to keep the screw threads original so I ordered some Loctite Form-A-thread and hope I can get the sight screw the normal amount of tightness again. 






  
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Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2021 at 9:27am
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I have no experience with this stuff. That being said, the fact that you have some form of thread in the hole I think is a big pluss, it gives the compound something to grab on to. I would suggest cleaning the hole out very well with a good solvent such as alcohol or such. It might also be a good idea to put a good coat of past wax on the screw so that when things set up you will be able to remove the screw at some point and leave the compound in the hole where it belongs.
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Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2021 at 11:30am
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Have used it successfully. Clean everything well, follow the instructions, particularly the dry times.

Should be fine for what you are doing, but seems to work best with something that does not have to come a part all the time.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 22nd, 2021 at 11:52am
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nuclearcricket wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 9:27am:
It might also be a good idea to put a good coat of past wax on the screw so that when things set up you will be able to remove the screw at some point and leave the compound in the hole where it belongs.
Just some thoughts.
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It comes with release agent for the bolt or screw, so no need for wax or other things.

  

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Reply #4 - Jan 22nd, 2021 at 7:27pm
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Dellet wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 11:30am:
Have used it successfully. Clean everything well, follow the instructions, particularly the dry times.

Should be fine for what you are doing, but seems to work best with something that does not have to come a part all the time.

I had put scope bases on the rifle and was using a Lyman Jr. target spot but it seemed to be a bit much for my 25 yard target range so I took it off and went back to the Vernier sight. I need the iron sight practice so I don't think it will be coming off at all. I was going to clean up that tang sight screw hole with brake cleaner and then blow it out good with my compressor.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 22nd, 2021 at 9:07pm
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Form a thread is equivalent to a grade 5 so it should be adequate for your application. I have used it to replace threads completely stripped on a 3000 psi hydraulic flange and it held perfectly. Follow the instructions exactly and you'll be good.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 22nd, 2021 at 9:48pm
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22_boomer wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 7:27pm:
Dellet wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 11:30am:
Have used it successfully. Clean everything well, follow the instructions, particularly the dry times.

Should be fine for what you are doing, but seems to work best with something that does not have to come a part all the time.

I had put scope bases on the rifle and was using a Lyman Jr. target spot but it seemed to be a bit much for my 25 yard target range so I took it off and went back to the Vernier sight. I need the iron sight practice so I don't think it will be coming off at all. I was going to clean up that tang sight screw hole with brake cleaner and then blow it out good with my compressor.


Mounting a base should be no problem, only other thought would be making sure the screw has good threads to form from.

It might be a problem say for using as the screw that holds the staff to the base if you take the staff off and on everything prime you shoot.

I have used it for sight and or scope bases, a fore end for sure that I can remember. At work it’s often for pipe plugs into aluminum or cast iron. Hold up well enough that transmission oil won’t seep through.

Biggest problem for me is time, try to save a few minutes and torque down the bolt early and cost myself a few hours re-doing the job. Not rocket science to use, just tough on impatient people with an occasional ham fist. Huh
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 23rd, 2021 at 8:10am
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Dellet wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 9:48pm:
22_boomer wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 7:27pm:
Dellet wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 11:30am:
Have used it successfully. Clean everything well, follow the instructions, particularly the dry times.

Should be fine for what you are doing, but seems to work best with something that does not have to come a part all the time.

I had put scope bases on the rifle and was using a Lyman Jr. target spot but it seemed to be a bit much for my 25 yard target range so I took it off and went back to the Vernier sight. I need the iron sight practice so I don't think it will be coming off at all. I was going to clean up that tang sight screw hole with brake cleaner and then blow it out good with my compressor.


Mounting a base should be no problem, only other thought would be making sure the screw has good threads to form from.

It might be a problem say for using as the screw that holds the staff to the base if you take the staff off and on everything prime you shoot.

I have used it for sight and or scope bases, a fore end for sure that I can remember. At work it’s often for pipe plugs into aluminum or cast iron. Hold up well enough that transmission oil won’t seep through.

Biggest problem for me is time, try to save a few minutes and torque down the bolt early and cost myself a few hours re-doing the job. Not rocket science to use, just tough on impatient people with an occasional ham fist. Huh

I just got the filler screws for the Unertl/Lyman type scope mount screws so they will be gone. I have plenty of time to wait for the form-a-thread to cure -- I'm disabled and don't do things in haste -- can't move that fast.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 23rd, 2021 at 11:18am
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Don't need to wait too long, as the instructions say to remove the screw after applying the Form A Thread, after 5 minutes. But then wait a full 30 minutes before reinstalling the screw. I wait a good hour myself, just to make sure it's fully cured. But waiting too long to pull the screw out might make it a little harder to pull.
  

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Reply #9 - Jan 24th, 2021 at 12:04pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jan 23rd, 2021 at 11:18am:
Don't need to wait too long, as the instructions say to remove the screw after applying the Form A Thread, after 5 minutes. But then wait a full 30 minutes before reinstalling the screw. I wait a good hour myself, just to make sure it's fully cured. But waiting too long to pull the screw out might make it a little harder to pull.

Marlinguy,
I did just like the instructions said and it worked perfect. I got the stuff yesterday and did it this morning. On a different subject, I removed the Unertl type bases and went to install the filler screws from Brownells and they are the smallest things. They have a positive stop which I think is just the screw head edge is larger than the hole. With my bad eyes and shaky hands I had to put on two pair of reading glasses to figure which end was which. If I had a tiny screw driver that fit the slot and was magnetic I might have done it faster but I got them all in place. Thanks for the positive comments about using the Loctite Form-a-Thread -- that was the easiest fix I ever did.

  
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Reply #10 - Jan 24th, 2021 at 12:27pm
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Those tiny plugs screws give most of us fits! But on the topic of vision, I keep a cheap magnifier visor hanging above my gun bench just for this reason! It has two flip up lenses, plus a small jeweler's loop also, so it will magnify anything I'm having trouble seeing, and keep my hands free. Think it cost me $7-$8 at Harbor Freight, and well worth the price for what it does for my old eyes.
I have a Brownells screwdriver set with interchangeable tips for gunsmithing. It's magnetic, but wont hold a very large screw as it's low magnetism. But it will hold those tiny plug screws, so it helps immensely.
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 24th, 2021 at 1:40pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 12:27pm:
Those tiny plugs screws give most of us fits! But on the topic of vision, I keep a cheap magnifier visor hanging above my gun bench just for this reason! It has two flip up lenses, plus a small jeweler's loop also, so it will magnify anything I'm having trouble seeing, and keep my hands free. Think it cost me $7-$8 at Harbor Freight, and well worth the price for what it does for my old eyes.
I have a Brownells screwdriver set with interchangeable tips for gunsmithing. It's magnetic, but wont hold a very large screw as it's low magnetism. But it will hold those tiny plug screws, so it helps immensely.

You are lucky you have a magnetic screwdriver that would fit those filler screws. I was going to get my giant magnet and magnetize the little screwdriver that fit those things perfect but just wanted to get the job done so I could do the thread fix. the funny part was when I got the filler screw in my hand and could see I was holding the top I could actually start them in since I could rest my shaky hand on the barrel.
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 24th, 2021 at 4:08pm
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I have a couple Chapman gunsmith sets, and the Brownells gunsmith set. Both are great, but the Chapman isn't magnetic, the tips are held in by a detent ball. Sometimes a non magnetized is better, and other times not. 
I also have a little tool that magnetizes screwdrivers, and also demagnetizes them. It's a square plastic block with a square hole to run the screwdriver tips through. A pass or two magnetizes them, and when you're done pass them through the opposite direction and it demagnetizes them. Bought it at an electrical supply house many years ago when I was still doing electrical work.
  

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Reply #13 - Jan 25th, 2021 at 10:41am
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Marlinguy,
I have two sets of gunsmith screwriver sets from Brownells but nothing as small enough to fit the slots in those tiny filler screws except this one set that has a section of extra small bits that would fit but the set requires an adapter for them and the magnetism seems to end at the adapter and doesn't follow through to the small size bits. I have a lot of odd screwdrivers that have picked up magnetism and it is annoying to use when you don't really want it -- sucks the screw out of position. I need a degausser. Those screwdrivers have a habit of collecting whiskers if I'm not careful. Going to try my Stevens that's now back the way I thing it should be and see if I can still shoot if I don't fall over on the way out. I would hate to damage that rifle.
  
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