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Reply #15 - Oct 6th, 2020 at 7:45pm
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It’s my understanding that the Ballard Rifle and Cartridge Company acquired the rights to the Ballard Rifle name so they are not clones.  Maybe “continuations” .
Regardless, they produced excellent rifles likely as good or better than Marlin.  They were not inexpensive 20 years ago and seem to hold their value today. I think that is a testament to the people who produced them.
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Reply #16 - Oct 6th, 2020 at 9:00pm
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True. They were an assembly of some of the greatest talent available at that time. I would put their work up against any production shop before or since.
  

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Reply #17 - Oct 7th, 2020 at 5:19am
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As an aside, does anybody know the total number of Cody Ballards that were manufactured?

I have one, and it's sublime!

The serial number of mine is 1089.

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Reply #18 - Oct 7th, 2020 at 7:02am
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Thanks everyone for your opinions and info.
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 7th, 2020 at 4:29pm
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4570mike wrote on Oct 6th, 2020 at 7:45pm:
It’s my understanding that the Ballard Rifle and Cartridge Company acquired the rights to the Ballard Rifle name so they are not clones.  Maybe “continuations” .
Regardless, they produced excellent rifles likely as good or better than Marlin.  They were not inexpensive 20 years ago and seem to hold their value today. I think that is a testament to the people who produced them.
JMHO.
Mike.


I think they discovered that nobody owned the name, and simply registered it to themselves. Thus sealing the deal for their own use, and any future use by others.

They were as good, and even better than originals because of modern metallurgy, and the talent of some of the finest modern gunsmiths of that time. Not sure any company could assemble such a group today! But I do think the possibility of building a quality Ballard is real. Just what it would cost, and who could build them?

I had 5 Cody Ballards that were part of a friend's estate years ago. He told his wife to get them to me to sell; which I did. Along with his guns were all the original paperwork from late 1990's to early 2000's. I personally was shocked at how reasonably priced the guns were! His were all high grade models that had better wood, set triggers, checkering, and better finish. And his .22 had a receipt with it from 1998 for under $2,000. He had a beautiful #6 with crescent buttplate in .38-50, #4 in .45-70, #6 in .40-65, and a Schoyen in .22LR. None of them was over $2900 new price.
Even back 15-20 yrs. ago I found these prices reasonable for the high end finish, and high quality. And several were ordered with MVA sights on them from Cody.
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 7th, 2020 at 11:03pm
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RSW wrote on Oct 6th, 2020 at 6:29pm:
Hey Val
I wonder if the Direct Metal Laser Sintering (DMLS) process could be used to make Ballard actions and parts? That would be directly 3D printing the parts in metal. It would likely be pricey and I'm not sure what sorts of metals are compatible with that process but all that would be needed is a really good 3D CAD model of the end parts.
I like your idea of casting the parts but that normally requires large setup costs, UNLESS the wax masters for lost wax casting could be 3D printed?
Just throwing out some ideas . . .


Funny that you should mention that, I've been looking into doing this very thing this week. I'm trying to find someone that has a better understanding of 3d printing than me to do a 3d printed rendering of a Ballard rec. so I can do a lost wax casting of it out of brass.
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 8th, 2020 at 11:02am
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willsweptline wrote on Oct 7th, 2020 at 11:03pm:
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Funny that you should mention that, I've been looking into doing this very thing this week. I'm trying to find someone that has a better understanding of 3d printing than me to do a 3d printed rendering of a Ballard rec. so I can do a lost wax casting of it out of brass.


You might contact The Rifle Shoppe and see what their receivers go for? They're pre-Marlin style, but not sure which Ballard they copied?

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Reply #22 - Oct 8th, 2020 at 2:17pm
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Did any pre-Marlin Ballard have set triggers?  I ask because The Rifle Shoppe lists those parts plus the fly among their Ballard parts.  Also, I note that under "price", the action listing says "Call", suggesting that they cast them on demand and giving me hope that if they have a model to work from (which they were then allowed to add to their line), they might accommodate willsweptline.

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Reply #23 - Oct 8th, 2020 at 2:49pm
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Might as well throw in my two cents worth . . . 
Consider contacting Rodney Storie.
rodney4477@yahoo.com
He has offered Ballard action steel castings in the past. Perhaps he has a set of castings on hand?
While his actions would require significant work to finish, they should be better than starting from scratch.
  

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Reply #24 - Oct 8th, 2020 at 3:19pm
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MrTipUp wrote on Oct 8th, 2020 at 2:17pm:
Did any pre-Marlin Ballard have set triggers?  I ask because The Rifle Shoppe lists those parts plus the fly among their Ballard parts.  Also, I note that under "price", the action listing says "Call", suggesting that they cast them on demand and giving me hope that if they have a model to work from (which they were then allowed to add to their line), they might accommodate willsweptline.

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That I'm aware of there wasn't a set trigger option on pre Marlin Ballard models. But I've purchased from The  Rifle Shoppe previously and been told he carries old style, and new style Marlin mainsprings, so I think he has parts for both. Of course the set trigger parts would be Marlin only I'd assume. Mainsprings are the single leaf Marlin, or double leaf pre Marlin.
It's always better to call even on parts listed, as he's a good guy to deal with.
  

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Reply #25 - Oct 8th, 2020 at 8:32pm
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While on the subject, may i pose a question re: mainsprings? I bought a roller mainspring from Steve Earle (a nicely rendered work of art, IMO), but it is decidedly heavier in cross section than the original in my #3 action. Hammer fall is definitely snappier (and probably a cure for the occasional light strike/misfire I experience), but trigger pull went from a delectable scant 2 pounds to an unacceptable 5 pounds. (Firing pin nose looks fine by the way.) I put the original spring back in because I'm not comfortable attacking the sear geometry with stones. Recommendations? Earle's "regular" spring, one from the Rifle Shoppe, or just live with it?
  
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Reply #26 - Oct 8th, 2020 at 10:52pm
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The Rifle Shoppe mainsprings are not heat treated as he sells them. But if you call him you can get them heat treated.
I've found any new mainspring will usually be heavier than 130 yr. old springs, and I usually work them over to remove some of the heavy feel.
  

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Re: Ballard thoughts
Reply #27 - Nov 13th, 2020 at 6:29pm
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RSW wrote on Oct 8th, 2020 at 2:49pm:
Might as well throw in my two cents worth . . . 
Consider contacting Rodney Storie.
rodney4477@yahoo.com
He has offered Ballard action steel castings in the past. Perhaps he has a set of castings on hand?
While his actions would require significant work to finish, they should be better than starting from scratch.



I just ordered a Ballard ST casting set from Rodney yesterday, but I understood this was the last set he currently had on hand. It also sounds like his casting endeavors are getting more attention since he retired last year. Here's a photo of the Ballard kit he emailed me last week:


  
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Reply #28 - Nov 13th, 2020 at 11:19pm
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That set of castings are a heck-of a head start.
Have avoided castings because set-ups takes so much more time than the machine cuts.
Might as well use bar stock and establish reference planes
Those casting look really good and may change my mind.
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Reply #29 - Nov 14th, 2020 at 10:19am
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As an aside, Ron Long used my engraved Ballard action as the model for Cody Ballards.  He and Neil Rice built me a fabulous .22 on that action with a Ron Smith barrel.  John Dutcher had one almost identical.
  

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