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rifal Participating Member Offline Posts: 17 Location: Rhode Island Joined: Feb 13^th, 2007	Fred Ross Jan 11^th, 2019 at 9:48pm	Print Post
	I have always been amazed of Fred Ross of Springfield MA. and his skill as a marksman for the Stevens company during the grand era of the schuetzen game in the USA. Would love to see any photos of him or his rifles used.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16271 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Fred Ross Reply #1 - Jan 12^th, 2019 at 1:21am	Print Post
	Frederick C. Ross was indeed a skilled marksman and worked and shot closely with HM Pope. He also ran the barrel making operation for Stevens-Pope barrels after Pope parted way with Stevens. Some say his barrels after Pope left were as good as Pope's, and from what I've seen they shoot as well. I'll have a look through my books and see if I can scan a picture of Frederick Ross.

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1945 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Fred Ross Reply #2 - Jan 12^th, 2019 at 3:10pm	Print Post
	I supplied John with a photo of Ross on pg 188 in his book, but there is a better photo of his face on pg 339.

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rifal Participating Member Offline Posts: 17 Location: Rhode Island Joined: Feb 13^th, 2007	Re: Fred Ross Reply #3 - Jan 13^th, 2019 at 7:47am	Print Post
	I would like to know more about John's book. what is the book called?

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Fred Ross Reply #4 - Jan 13^th, 2019 at 9:24am	Print Post
	rifal wrote on Jan 13^th, 2019 at 7:47am: I would like to know more about John's book. what is the book called? John Dutcher's Ballard book, now out of print & selling for around $200; includes a wonderful collection of period photos.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16271 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Fred Ross Reply #5 - Jan 13^th, 2019 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	rifal wrote on Jan 13^th, 2019 at 7:47am: I would like to know more about John's book. what is the book called? "Ballard, The Great American Singleshot Rifle".

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Fred Ross Reply #6 - Jan 13^th, 2019 at 1:33pm	Print Post
	It has been said Ross learned from Pope and there were some Ross barrels supposedly going out the door as Pope's but I am not sure how truthful that might be. The relationship between Pope and Steven's was not a good one to say the least and I do believe it could have caused there to be some questionable information being tossed about.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16271 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Fred Ross Reply #7 - Jan 13^th, 2019 at 1:39pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jan 13^th, 2019 at 1:33pm: It has been said Ross learned from Pope and there were some Ross barrels supposedly going out the door as Pope's but I am not sure how truthful that might be. The relationship between Pope and Steven's was not a good one to say the least and I do believe it could have caused there to be some questionable information being tossed about. Ross worked at Stevens right alongside Pope in the barrel making dept. When Pope had his famous falling out with Stevens Ross took over. Stevens-Pope barrels made up to around 1300 serial number or so were when Pope was there. But Stevens-Pope barrels number up somewhere around 1800-1900 serial range, so obvious that Ross made confirmed barrels marked Stevens-Pope after Pope left. It took a letter from Pope to Stevens to get Stevens to stop using his name on their barrels. But Ross continued making barrels after the rollstamp was changed also.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Fred Ross Reply #8 - Jan 13^th, 2019 at 2:09pm	Print Post
	Marlinguy so was Ross copying Pope's barrels at the time or was he using something a bit different during that time. I know very little about the man and if he was copying Pope did he gone on to develop his own rifling design or did he continue to copy Pope's through his barrel making life span.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16271 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Fred Ross Reply #9 - Jan 13^th, 2019 at 3:14pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jan 13^th, 2019 at 2:09pm: Marlinguy so was Ross copying Pope's barrels at the time or was he using something a bit different during that time. I know very little about the man and if he was copying Pope did he gone on to develop his own rifling design or did he continue to copy Pope's through his barrel making life span. Ross' rifling was just like Pope's and left hand twist also John. I own a Stevens-Pope done by Ross and it looks just like my Pope barreled rifles. If we didn't know when Pope left, we couldn't tell the difference examining the bores.

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s.s.jeff Junior Member Offline Posts: 66 Location: Appleton Joined: Aug 13^th, 2006	Re: Fred Ross Reply #10 - Jan 24^th, 2019 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	Ross rifling was not like Pope rifling he used a 8 groove right hand twist. When he was rifling a Stevens Pope Barrel then it was just like Pope’s left hand twist rifling.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Fred Ross Reply #11 - Jan 24^th, 2019 at 8:53pm	Print Post
	Gain SS Jeff or possibly not ?

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16271 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Fred Ross Reply #12 - Jan 25^th, 2019 at 8:32am	Print Post
	s.s.jeff wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 7:49pm: Ross rifling was not like Pope rifling he used a 8 groove right hand twist. When he was rifling a Stevens Pope Barrel then it was just like Pope’s left hand twist rifling. My reference to Ross' rifling being just like Pope's was pertaining to Stevens-Pope barrels made by Ross after Pope's departure. He made those barrels exactly as Pope made them.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Fred Ross Reply #13 - Jan 25^th, 2019 at 12:13pm	Print Post
	What became of Ross after Stevens ceased mfg. of high-grade target rifles? After the war, did he find employment with any other gunmaker?


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s.s.jeff Junior Member Offline Posts: 66 Location: Appleton Joined: Aug 13^th, 2006	Re: Fred Ross Reply #14 - Jan 25^th, 2019 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	At some point of his life he was a sheet metal worker and installed furnaces.


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