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Aug 12th, 2020 at 11:37pm
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This was just published, August 8th in the San Antonio Express News.  I hope you enjoy.
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Reply #1 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 12:47am
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Disbandment of the old San Antonio Schützen club in 1919 marked the passing of an era of old-world sports and culture brought here by the German settlers of the 1850s. Even as late as 1919, all but two of the shooting members still hand-loaded their ammunition. The two more modern members, used factory-made cartridges. They were probably the first ones who in 1913 committed the heresy of using smokeless instead of black powder in their cartridges. Loading your own ammunition insured greater accuracy. These men who kept alive the customs of their forefathers said. They boasted that shot-for-shot, their scores were higher then those registered by gun clubs in the Eastern United States, where factory ammunition had first become popular.

When the first round was fired, the shell expanded to perfectly fit the chamber, from then on each shot was as accurate as the preceding one. The cartridge case was re-primed and then carefully filled with exactly the same amount of powder after each firing, a paper patched bullet was stuffed into the open end and the shooter was ready to go. Each shooter got 10 record shots at the target after practice. There were two positions, off-hand, and prone with a rest. A score of 230 out of a possible 250 was considered “good.” That meant that all ten shots at 200 yards had to be within a 4½ inch circle. The best score ever made at one of these matches was 243. When the San Antonio Schützen Verein was established in 1857, Raimond Neumann was named president by the following charter members; E. Dorsch, Frank Neumann, Anton Hannich, Anton Altmann Sr., Anton Altmann Jr., Felix Altmann, Andreas Braden, Edward Seffel, Alex Sarter, Anton Kemp, L. Ohde, H. Netwich, J.G. Muller, and Ed Froeboese. Some of these men not only made their own ammunition, they also made their own rifles. Ferdinand Topperwein, father of the famous shooter Ad Topperwein, was one of the early members of the club.

On Sundays, every little valley in Southwest Texas reverberated with the sound of target practice and the contests of these sportsmen and others like them. There were competing clubs at such places as Boerne, Cutoff, Green Valley, Helotes, Bulverde, New Braunfels and Vogel’s Valley. Large crowds, great woodland processions, balloon ascensions, songfests, dancing and presentation of medals to winners – a custom established in Germany as early as 1555 – were part of each shoot.
  
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Families of shooters would depart from their homes by buggy or horse-drawn ambulance in the early morning or even the day before, so the men folk would have time to adjust and blacken their sights and get everything set for the Sunday contests which always began at 1 p.m. Banners flew over the rifle range, and a keg of beer was always rolled up close to the firing line just as practice commenced. The beer steadied the shooters’ nerves, the Germans would explain with a twinkle in their eyes. A good marksman would quaff a stein of beer every time he left the firing line. Children frolicked behind the ready line, and ladies with their men sang old songs, and wildflowers picked from the fields were made into garlands and draped around the necks of the champions.
 
Such outings were held almost every Sunday, except during the hunting season. Nic Lovece and his orchestra played for the club’s dances that followed. Dues of active shooting members were 75 cents a month. Passive members, who went along for the ride and the beer, paid only 50 cents a month. Throughout its long history, the club resisted change as much as it could. “The old way is the best way, that’s why we stick to it,” members would say. It took many years for single-shot breech-loaders such as Ballard, Winchester, Remington and Stevens to replace the old muzzle-loaders. Each member had his individual stall at a long table in the clubhouse where he prepared his own ammunition. The first clubhouse was on Austin Street, the next one was on Powderhouse Hill, but in time the city cemetery was built there and shooting was often interrupted by funeral processions; so the club moved to River Avenue on nine acres of ground.
Back in 1898 on the Mahncke Park site, Dr. Adolph Herff, now the oldest living member of the club, and I.N. Rothwell were trying to set some shooting records and were doing just fine until two black-tailed deer walked across the firing line. Everyone got so excited that nobody got a shot off at the animals and they escaped unscathed into a nearby mesquite thicket. A German custom religiously held to throughout the 62 year life of the Schützen Verein was the King Shoot on Pentecost, the seventh Sunday after Easter, or “Whitsuntide” to the Germans. The man who scores the most perfect bull’s eye on Whitsuntide was proclaimed champion of champions or “King Shot” for a year. The second best shooter was “Knight Shot.”
  
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Hermann Dreiss 85, a retired pharmacist, will never forget the King Shoot of 1899. Dreiss shot the center brad out of the middle of the bull’s eye. The black disc fell into the pit and the crowd roared its approval. But then Ernest Steves took careful aim and fired. Steves, too, shot the brad out of the bull’s eye, and another resounding roar went up from the crowd. Judges had to use a pair of dividers to determine who had won the match. Steves was declared the King Shot and was given a large gold metal. Dreiss was awarded a smaller gold Knight Shot metal which he keeps to this day, along with the punctured bull’s eye. Emanuel Seffel was the all time Schützen Verein champion. He became the permanent possessor of the state gold metal trophy after out shooting the best marksmen in Texas in a statewide competition for three consecutive years, No other Texan has ever accomplished such a feat. In such company, Annie Oakley herself would have found the German celebration of Whitsuntide in San Antonio more than just a picnic. 
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 4:00am
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What a great story/article and it reads like the history of the German settlers and their shooting out here in Adelaide South Australia. The Adelaide Black Powder and Muzzle Loading Club still uses an original metal target from the era. At a recent shoot (8th August) the following rifles were shot in the competition : 1 x Aydt, 2 x Ballards, 2 x Win Low Walls, 1 x Hepburn, 1 x Rolling Block, 1 x 44 1/2, 1 Springfield Trapdoor, 1 x Martini Cadet, 1 X Large frame Martini Enfield, 1 x Swiss Style Military Muzzle Loader and several English style Muzzle Loaders. Great fun was had by all and 12 shots each were fired  Smiley
  
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Schutzenbob, thanks for the photo and the information!
  

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Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 7:58am
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830singleshot wrote on Aug 12th, 2020 at 11:37pm:
This was just published, August 8th in the San Antonio Express News.  I hope you enjoy.
Scott McCash


Scott, thanks for posting that link. Very interesting to read there were 70 clubs within a 50-mile radius of New Braunfels before 1914.
  

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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 12:46pm
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Thank you for posting those San Antonio Schuetzen Verein photos. You come up with some of the best historical finds of the old Schuetzen game. 
Instead of Schuetzenbob perhaps you could use the handle: SchuetzenHISTORYbob  Wink
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 8:00pm
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That is a great series of posts, Bob. I thank you, and here's an attaboy for your generous sharing. Smiley
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 14th, 2020 at 7:56am
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Great read, thanks Bob and Scott
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Reply #11 - Aug 14th, 2020 at 11:33am
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Thanks Scott. I enjoyed the article. And Bob for posting the pictures.
  

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Scott, I appologize for leaving you out on the kudos. I just picked  up on the photos that had been posted. So, here's a belated attaboy for your great contribution. Smiley
  
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Reply #13 - Aug 14th, 2020 at 11:25pm
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I'm glad you guys have enjoyed this.  What we have now is just a remnant of what once was but I'm very proud of it and glad to be a part of insuring the legacy continues.
Most of the rest of the states have been unaware of the long history of Schuetzen in Texas.
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 18th, 2020 at 12:35pm
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When most people think of Texas they think of the Alamo or the Dallas cowboys, or Jim Bowes' famous last words, "I didn't know they were pouring mud today".

If you find more on clubs in Texas please post it.
  

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